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There, unlike in HW, the prevailing opinion is that the leader owes nothing to anyone during the verification process except to the organizer – it's considered that the intricacies of the playthrough are their personal intellectual property. And the organizer can request a public description at their discretion. And sometimes they ask for a description from players who aren't even the leaders.
Personally, I also adhere to this position – if you want to share your tricks with the community, do so; if not, that's your right.

In relation to our tournament, the leader could have explained how they managed to complete it in a week, or at the very least, simply outlined the main idea. And the organizer, with their authority, confirms that the saves have been accepted, which means everything is fine. If you don't trust the organizer, don't play... Another question is whether the leader can be asked to explain, but in no case should it be demanded...

Our portal has a certain educational slant only because the average skill level of the players is lower compared to HP. There, no one asks questions like how to defeat a Legion of Dwarves with a Butterfly or why diplomacy is needed... :) And as for super results, it very rarely happens that one player achieves something that no one else has thought of (as was the case in the current tournament) – that's why no one demands "saves for the barrel!"

That's all the explanation... Some may not like my position, but I'm saying what I think.
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Personally, I also adhere to this position - if you want to share your tricks with the people, do so; if not, then it is your right.
Regarding our Tournament, the leader could have explained how he managed to complete it in a week, or at least outlined the idea. And the organizer, with his authority, confirms that the saves have been accepted, which means everything is fine. If you don't trust the organizer, don't play... Another question is whether you can ask the leader to tell, but in no case should you demand it...
I personally hold a different point of view. If the leader does not want to provide a report to his Tournament rivals upon request, then let him not play here, but go to HP :) And the organizers do not necessarily have to trust or distrust. Because it is perfectly clear that a group of leaders will check each other better than one organizer, who, by the way (this is also possible), may have a game level that is slightly or much worse than the leaders. And when the leaders check each other in front of everyone, the rest have something to learn from.
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Our portal has a certain educational bias only because of the lower (average) level of players compared to HP.
Yes, I know the players there. I'm not saying that there are no strong players there. There are. But there are also many weak ones. What are they doing there? They are mining. And they won't come out of the mines with the portal's systems of checking and training :)
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There, no one asks questions about how to defeat a legion of dwarves with a butterfly or why diplomacy is needed... :) And as for super results, there is very rarely a situation where one player does something amazing that no one has thought of (as was the case in the current Tournament) - that's why no one demands "saves for the barrel!"
If you look at the results, they can range from a few days to five hundred (miners and others) days. And the newbies don't ask questions there because they are used to keeping quiet :) Or they will start to arrogantly explain some nonsense, like how they manually defeated a legion of black dragons with one fairy :)
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That's all the explanations... Some may not like my position, but I say what I think.
:) Me too. But you won't be showered with criticism for it here :) At least, a decrease in morale does not affect the frequency of posts.
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As for the super results, it's very rare for one player to achieve something extraordinary that no one else thought of (as happened in the current tournament) – that's why no one is demanding "save scumming!"
That's all the explanation... Maybe some people won't like my position, but I'm saying what I think.

I think the issue is more about something else. Cases with "amazing" results also occur there. The difference is how other participants react to them. I could have said (after reading the description) that there was nothing "complicated" about it, that there simply wasn't enough time (although that does happen), and so on, while making a very intelligent face, or I could have just kept quiet. Ultimately, these are my problems, and there's no need for others to know about them.
I value directness and sincerity in people. Otherwise, we'll all go our separate ways and look at each other suspiciously – that's not for me.
You're reacting more to the reaction of other strong players to the high result than to the result itself. There wouldn't have been such a reaction on NR, hence your conclusion.
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Dear friends, thank you all very much for sharing your invaluable experience, knowledge, and wisdom, as well as the equally invaluable mistakes and shortcomings!
С уважением, Деконтаминатор.
Hello from ancient novice!
ЗЫ: Когда я свободен для игры, в Асе у меня стоит состояние "Игры"-"Погоняем!", и я ищу Аськи с аналогичным состоянием.
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I think both Amber and Iron are right! The fact that the results of the leaders are being discussed here is definitely a plus. But also: demanding (and I mean demanding) a detailed explanation is not okay! That really is intellectual property. And another thing: maybe there are more super players on other portals, but it's easier to learn here. That is, our heroes progress faster.

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And another thing: maybe there are more super players on other portals, but it's easier to learn here.
Well, it's obvious that where there are more people, there's a higher chance of finding strong players, but in terms of quality to quantity ratio, I wouldn't rule out our forum, especially since I don't even know what their "super players" are like:smile01:
For example, Qwerty wrote his ranking of the top 10 players for the second game, I think... but it's practically impossible to compare our players with theirs... we don't play against them, and they didn't show up to our invitation either!
P.S. So, it's all vague ;)
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Currently, claiming that HP players are superior to ours means living in the past. More precisely, it means remaining stuck in mid-autumn of last year. Since then, a lot has changed, and it's simply amusing to continue talking about some mythical superiority out of habit.

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I think both Amber and Iron are right!
The fact that the results of the leaders are being discussed here is definitely a plus. But also: demanding (and I mean demanding) a detailed explanation is not acceptable! This is truly intellectual property.
And another thing: maybe there are more super players on other portals, but it's easier to learn here. That is, our players progress faster.
No one is saying to demand anything. The leader should explain, upon request, what and how he achieved such results. Otherwise, what kind of tournament is it where the actions of the leader remain incomprehensible to everyone else? It's like if Fire refused to explain how he defeated the golems with ballistae.
P.S. And if he hadn't provided the saves for public viewing, this question WOULDN'T HAVE ARISEN AT ALL. This is exactly what happens on HP!!
And if you start complaining, you'll be sent to the leader himself, who may or may not provide information, and may even send you away because he owes nothing to anyone. In short, I agree with AmberSoler that the tournament system is set up at the highest level, and I'll also agree about the organization of the tournaments, but the verification of results is not set up there at all (or rather, one organizer deals with all the saves - and no one sees how he deals with them - but everyone trusts him immensely :) and therefore this negates all their tournament organization, in my opinion.
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Amber!
Organize a mini-tournament for 2-3 weeks (before the start of November). You did a great job with the blitz tournament. You can have an assistant. Let it be unofficial. And the map can be a standard one. It doesn't matter.
There's still so much time before the start of November!!!!
I don't want to have to get back into it again – it's hard to get back into the swing of things (even though I have a lot of household chores, but I can still find some time). I think many will be "for" it.
If not, then I'll have to play unofficial games with the Heroes IV players. Although I'm "not very good" at it. Except maybe I can listen to some beautiful music at the same time. It's quite captivating!

to FireBall.

I keep forgetting to ask – why didn't you replace the vampires with mercury creatures in the Stronghold? What if that parameter would have decided everything? Would you have regretted it? Although, as one of my friends says, sometimes things just happen...:)
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Amber!
Organize some kind of mini-tournament for 2-3 weeks (before the beginning of November). You did a great job with the blitz. You can have an assistant. Let it be unofficial. And the map can be standard. It doesn't matter.
There's still so much time before the beginning of November!!!!
I don't want to have to get back into it again - it's hard to get back into the swing of things (even though there's a lot of everyday stuff, but I can still find some time). I think many will be "for" it.
Sorry for the off-topic - but I also want a blitz or something like that... Otherwise, it was too lazy to participate in this tournament at first - I thought I would have time... but in the end, I didn't find the time... DAMN... It's better to have small and interesting puzzles for the brain right away ;)
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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At the moment, talking about the superiority of HP players over ours means living in the past. More precisely, it means staying in the middle of last autumn.
I think you mean the moment when Prorock, Paladin, nprf... left the portal. This loss still resonates today, although much has changed since the Great War.
I keep forgetting to ask – why weren't vampires replaced by mercury creatures in Stronghold? What if that parameter would have decided everything? Would you be regretting it now? Although, as one of my friends says, sometimes only the worst things happen...
I built Valhalla, but there was no Mercenary Guild there.

And this time, I was too lazy to participate in the tournament at first – I thought I would have time later... and in the end, I didn't find the time... ABSOLUTELY...
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By the way, when you registered for this tournament, you apologized for not sending saves twice and promised to correct it. And what was the result?
"Inconstancy, that's your name – woman!"
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I think you mean the moment when Prorock, Paladin, nprf... left the portal. This loss still resonates today, although much has changed since then.
Many people have disappeared from HPortal as well, I'm not talking about some outcasts :) but I know other permanent regulars there. I've heard rumors that many people no longer play in tournaments there - this applies to the fourth game. Also, HP has split into two portals. So, things aren't as smooth there as one might like. I consider the lack of well-thought-out rules and insufficient reporting by leaders to other tournament participants regarding their progress to be shortcomings of both of those portals in organizing tournaments + there is a system of "bans" that was intended to punish hooligans and those who use profanity, but which moderators use to silence those they dislike. That's all :) I don't want to hear anything more about them for now.
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"Inconstancy, your name is woman!"

Oh women, your name is treachery! :) :) :)
"Мы принимаем бой!!!!!!!" - кричали они:D :D :D
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...there was a system of "clouds" that was supposed to punish bullies and those who used foul language, but moderators use it to silence those they don't like. That's all. I don't want to hear anything more about it. :)
Ah! So you're a political... Dissident, you know... :D Maybe you'll write a book someday... You'll get a ton of Grails... :D Iron, maybe that's enough, huh? It wasn't exactly a pleasant experience for you... And you received a harsh, but fair punishment... No need to complain, you were a celebrity there for a while, but of course, everyone forgot about it, and you still remember... Are you sleeping well? ;)
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