The ninth stage of the Kanigem Tournaments — Tournament history (offline)

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Lu41k

18 years ago

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THIRD OFFLINE HEROES 4 TOURNAMENT " Saving Angel "

1. To participate in the third offline Heroes 4 tournament « Saving Angel », you must register on our website and leave an application in this thread.

P.S. This tournament is held as part of the general Van Kanigem tournament, therefore all information, as well as its progress and results, will be displayed in that section.

This stage of the tournament is rated.

2. The tournament is played on the Russian version of Heroes 4: Winds of War by Buka. The save will be generated on the Russian version.

3. Game Goal – defeat the enemy.

The result will be evaluated primarily based on minimum time.
If several players have an equal completion time, the winner will be determined by points; if a favorite is still not determined, then by the amount of mercury.

4. Tournament Rules.

1) It is forbidden to use cheat codes during the final run of the save.

2) It is forbidden to restart or perform any other modification of the initial save.

3) Use of the "space" key.

3.1. Use of the "space" key is FORBIDDEN when boarding a boat.
3.2. Use of the "space" key is FORBIDDEN when disembarking from a boat to shore.
3.3. Use of the "space" key is ALLOWED when pulling a killed hero (grave) out from under monsters.

4) Bugs - SaveBag

4.1. Shifting monsters using saving - FORBIDDEN.
4.2. Additional hero upgrades related to saving - FORBIDDEN.
4.3. 65000 arrows for Elves using saving in battle - FORBIDDEN.
4.4. Digging up the Grail - e.g., visiting all idols, finding the burial place of the Grail, then loading a "good" save and attempting to dig up the Grail without visiting idols - FORBIDDEN.

5) Bugs - SinglBag

5.1. Overcoming obstacles on land, i.e., when dragging units with the mouse from upper slots to lower ones, they end up, for example, behind bushes that are normally impassable (the player does nothing forbidden, uses the mouse; during this operation, units lose some of their movement).
ALLOWED.

5.2. Overcoming obstacles when disembarking from a boat to shore, i.e., landing on shore without an indication that landing is possible (the anchor is not visible on the shore), again done with the mouse; units' movement is reset (space is obviously forbidden - see point 2).
ALLOWED.

5.3. Upgrading hero graves using a Thief. Upgrading hero graves using Grandmaster Stealth.

TARGETED upgrading of a grave in this manner is FORBIDDEN.

NON-TARGETED upgrading of a grave in this manner is ALLOWED.
You must provide a reasoned explanation as to why you were forced to accidentally upgrade the grave and why it was unavoidable.

5.4. Upgrading graves using ordinary units on attack, defense, or speed crystals (sapphires) in battle, or increasing magic points.
FORBIDDEN.

5.5. Units carrying a grave are allowed to visit stables, oases, wells, and other objects that increase movement points.
Therefore, EVEN TARGETED transport of a grave through these objects is ALLOWED.

5.6. Use of a hero's spellbook by the hero's grave on the adventure map.
FORBIDDEN.

6) It is forbidden to use "completely Dead-end external dwellings" on the battlefield.
(I will explain in more detail for those who don't understand. I consider a "Dead-end external dwelling" to be a COMPLETELY closed area, for example by rocks or logs, which contains
a small island for a unit, such as a fairy, harpy, vampire, etc.
That is, a place that cannot be entered on land by a unit of the smallest
size (3x3) and can only be reached by air—a kind of natural fortress). Having such an external dwelling, one fairy could beat a hundred Black Dragons and win an impossible battle; to prevent such situations, I forbid "Dead-end external dwellings" in this tournament.

7) Discussion of the tournament on the forum during its progress is FORBIDDEN!!!
(Players who violate this rule automatically disqualify themselves from playing the tournament; their results will not be counted and will be annulled).

8) EVERYTHING ELSE IS ALLOWED.
(unlimited number of heroes on the map beyond eight, and so on).

A "non-dead-end external dwelling", or more accurately a semi-open one, is allowed in this tournament.
By semi-open external dwelling, I mean a place that a unit or Hero can
Enter on foot, while the attacking monsters, regardless of their size, must be able to reach the Hero or unit to strike them (the point of a Semi-open external dwelling is to limit the number of monsters attacking you simultaneously). Besides, it's not proper for a Hero to hide in an external dwelling while the enemies waste themselves on whatever. Our Heroes fight with open visors.

9) The player is required to save intermediate saves for each game day during the tournament run.
Intermediate saves may be requested by the tournament leader to verify the honesty of the run. If the use of cheat codes, or errors and game features explicitly forbidden in the rules, are detected, the player will be immediately excluded from the tournament.
It is also necessary to save controversial battles (e.g., a hero and a fairy against 100 dragons) so that the honesty of the victory in the clash can be verified.

10) Along with the final save, players are required to send a description of the final battle tactics (the more difficult the battle, the more detailed).
If the win depends on morale\luck rolls\specific actions of computer players, a full description of the battle is required—one that allows it to be repeated.

11) Send the final save to the email address Lu41k@yandex.ru. The sent save must contain the tournament number (3), the participant's number in the application table, the abbreviation (SA « Saving Angel » ), and the player's Nickname. Example: 3_1_SA _Lu41k.h4s

12) The tournament starts on October 1 and will last until October 31 (inclusive). The result will be announced on November 6, 2007.

13) After receiving your save, you will see in the application table that:

the save is accepted - indicated by a Bold Nickname

This list can be added to by new participants!
We invite everyone to take part in the tournament!

Saves will only be considered from players who are in this table, so make your applications IN ADVANCE!!!

PARTICIPANT LIST
NUMBER	*PLAYER NICKNAME*
1	Lu41k
2	:( ~~Starhan~~ :(
3	vbn
4	BigAke
5	IronAxe
6	Undergrounder
7	Arandor
8	:( ~~Kamikaze~~ :(
9	General ZeT
10	ZYbr
11	midzhajj
12	SandroXXL
13	Brackman
14	:( ~~StormS-K~~:(
15	LeSHiJ-Max
16	Fireball
17	Romanuel

Everything about the starting save

1. Download the save.

2. The downloaded save must be placed on your computer in the GAMES folder of the installed Heroes 4.

3. Load it and start playing at any time convenient for you, while remembering to make daily saves.

4. After reaching the final action (after which victory occurs), save again.

5. With the final save, describe this last step in detail (most likely a battle); then the results will be processed faster and there will be fewer suspicions of cheating!!!

6. A full description of the tournament map is encouraged (optional). If such descriptions are provided, a contest for the best description will be held; 10 of them (the very best) will take their place of honor in the "Hall of Fame" section!

7. Send this save to the specified address (in the rules of this tournament).

8. Wait for the results.

P.S. The map "Saving Angel" was taken from www.heroesportal.net, author Kolizey.

I wish all participants enjoyment of the game, a good time, and of course GOOD LUCK!!

With respect, tournament organizers Lu41k and Magnus!
P.P.S. We express great gratitude for help in organizing the tournament to Alan, Kyle, and Pandora! Thank you very much!!!!

ATTENTION all tournament participants!!!! The map and save have been replaced!!! Therefore, I ask you to download the new, edited version of the map and naturally the new save for it!!! Once again, I apologize for this incident and hope for your understanding!

- Changed October 5!

Lu41k

18 years ago

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SandroXXL:) Don't make me laugh)))

But I'm sure you'll figure out what Heroes of Might and Magic is and how to play it;)
Your number is 12)))

Good luck! I hope you enjoy my map at least half as much as I enjoyed yours;)

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Undergrounder

18 years ago

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IronAxe;116120

For example... <many letters>

Man, how do they even put up with you here? You're a real pain. :smile08:
And literally so.

However, the wording "unspecified is prohibited" is really poorly chosen. If you're going to prohibit something, specify the exact methods, otherwise something might come up during the walkthrough, and it will be unclear whether it's allowed or not.
Off the top of my head, I can also mention the possibility of learning the Necromancer's skills in various academies. No one is going to hide the available options, but you might not remember everything right away.

Kamikaze

18 years ago

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What kind of game is this... maybe I'm in the wrong place. At least let me complete it somehow!

Undergrounder

18 years ago

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SandroXXL;116129

I don't even know how to play Heroes, and what are Heroes anyway? :-) Well, sign me up!

Kamikaze;116153

What kind of game is this... maybe I'm in the wrong place. At least let me try to get through it!

:smile54:
Alright, alright, alright, you've all had your fun, you've teased and tormented me.
"Everyone wants to bully an orphan."

I should probably leave before they tear my head off...

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IronAxe

18 years ago

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Undergrounder;116152

Dude, how are they even putting up with you here? You're practically dead. :smile08: And literally so.

They're trying to cheer me up with positive feedback, boosting my morale :) But on HP, our "friends" are constantly dousing us with water from the clouds - I almost rusted! :)

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Undergrounder;116247

:smile54:
Alright, alright, alright, they kicked, dunked, and incinerated me.
"Everyone wants to bully an orphan."
I should probably leave before they tear my head off...

And where do you want to stick your head - back to HP? :) They'll definitely tear it off there, and not just your head :) And here, these are just jokes, and I think you understand that ;)

Lu41k

18 years ago

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Dear participants! I have edited the map; now, the game's objective corresponds to the tournament's objective. A new save file was created for the map. I have re-uploaded both the map and the save file. I hope this was the first and last unpleasant incident...:(

Sincerely,

Starhan

18 years ago

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I've already finished that one :smile07: what should I do now? :smile01:

Just kidding.

:smile45: I guess now it's not necessary to go underground; is it enough to just defeat the computer opponents?

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Zybr

18 years ago

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Starhan;116354

I've already completed it :smile07: what should I do :smile01:

just kidding

:smile45: I guess now it's not necessary to go underground, it's enough to defeat all the computer-controlled opponents?

Yes, you just need to defeat all the computer-controlled opponents.

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Sage

18 years ago

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IronAxe;116314

Here, people are giving me positive votes, which boosts my morale :)

Recently, I even had to defend myself with negative votes during a particularly heated argument :smile07:. Although, I suspect that this tactic had a greater impact on his opponent.
In general, IronAxe is the most persistent and legendary debater on Heroesword. Even his most ardent opponent, AmberSoler, eventually stopped arguing with him, and they had debates spanning dozens of pages :smile52:.

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IronAxe

18 years ago

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Undergrounder;116152

The wording "anything not explicitly allowed is prohibited" is really poorly chosen. If you're going to prohibit something, specify exactly what. Otherwise, something might come up during the game, and it will be unclear whether it's allowed or not.
For example, I'll remind you about the possibility of learning the Necromancer skill in various universities. No one is going to hide available options, but you might not remember everything right away.

There isn't an explicit prohibition on learning the Necromancer skill in a university. (And so what? It can be learned, right?) But rule 8 of the tournament rules states that anything not explicitly prohibited is allowed. It says:
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8) EVERYTHING ELSE IS ALLOWED.
(unlimited number of heroes on the map, more than eight, etc.).
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I'll remind you that an unlimited number of heroes can be obtained specifically through Necromancer technologies. Besides, if you prohibit literally everything without knowing what, you will never know about new or existing features because players will save them for another tournament here or elsewhere.
Or what specifically will the organizer clarify on this issue?

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Sage;116500

Recently, I had to defend myself with downvotes during a particularly heated argument :smile07:. Although, there's a suspicion that this tactic had a greater effect on his opponent.

Just for variety, a downvote is also a good addition to the collection. Otherwise, with only upvotes, it might seem too perfect :)

Sage;116500

In general, IronAxe is the most persistent and legendary debater in Heroesword.

I'm also a persistent participant in almost all tournaments :) At least, I'll try to remain one this year. Next year, I'll reduce my activity. I've said it many times - I'll try to play online if the rules are suitable :)

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Starhan;116354

I've already completed it :smile07: what should I do :smile01:
just kidding
:smile45: I think now it's enough to defeat the computer units, and going underground is not necessary.

I'll tell you even more, although I didn't want to :) Going underground is strongly not recommended because I have information about it (although I haven't checked it myself, but I trust the source) that even though the quest has been fixed on the regenerated map and matches the quest in the tournament, the "Victory by Underground Event" still remains in the new save file :) In other words, if you go underground without killing the computer units and accidentally complete the known event, the game will end! ;) But the organizers will have to disregard such a save because the tournament quest will not be completed in that case :)
To the Organizers:
You were already advised on what to do :) You just needed to change the secondary criterion for determining the winners in the rules from POINTS for the game to HERO EXPERIENCE POINTS. In this case, it wouldn't have been necessary to regenerate the save. Now, at least listen - don't change anything else :) Just emphasize in the rules that you MUST defeat the computer units - only such a save will be accepted, and that's it. Regeneration has complicated an already complex save! :) Well, okay, we'll manage, we're not looking for easy ways :)

Brackman

18 years ago

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I'm signing up! I just registered and want to test my strength.

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IronAxe

18 years ago

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Brackman;116657

I’m signing up!
I just registered, and I want to test my strength.

;) Well, let’s give you a positive vote to boost your morale for this tournament. It definitely won’t hurt on this save ;)

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Kamikaze

18 years ago

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Lu41k;116342

Dear participants! I have edited the map; now, the goal of the game corresponds to the goal of the tournament. A new save was created for the map. I have re-uploaded both the map and the save. I hope this was the first and last unpleasant incident...:(

Sincerely,

Don't worry, this is already the third replacement of the starting save in the last two months. So, everyone is taking it normally. I hope so!

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IronAxe;116584

I am also a persistent participant in almost all Tournaments :) At least I will try to remain one this year. Next year, I will reduce my activity. I have said it many times - I will try to play online if the rules are suitable :)

I think this is your biggest "plus." I also wanted to participate in all of them, but it didn't work out.
And we are looking forward to seeing you online. I think you won't be in the last places. I would also like to see other MEGA players online!

Lu41k

18 years ago

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I apologize to everyone for my clumsiness. Last time, I uploaded a completely different, unedited map...
I have corrected the mistake today...
So, I ask everyone to download the map again. The save file is the same; it was created using the edited map.

Checking both the map and the save file showed that victory is achieved when all cities are captured and enemy Heroes are destroyed...
However, even if you save the Angels, victory is also achieved. I don't know how to explain this. The old objective was removed, and a new one was set: standard victory conditions!

But let's not forget that the goal of the tournament and the map is to defeat the enemy Heroes; there is nothing mentioned about saving the Angels! Read the victory conditions! So, there is no point in saving them...

Once again, I apologize to all of you for my clumsiness...