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Offline o1dboy79
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I agree.
As for the update, they didn't add anything besides a workshop of objects for progression – it's a technical failure.
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o1dboy79

and regarding the layout where, besides the workshop, no other objects for development were added - technical restrictions.
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I want to raise the issue in advance, specifically regarding Heroes of Might and Magic, to prohibit any form of guild abuse... it has become too accessible and, shall we say, "unsportsmanlike."
There is hope that the issue will resolve itself after the "New Year" update for Heroes of Might and Magic. Perhaps it is worth waiting for it, so as not to create unnecessary rules.
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Here, we post all questions and suggestions regarding the open topic of CIS-2020 (workshops, templates, etc.).
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Will there be gaming stations for Heroes of Might and Magic V?
Approximately 5-6 people...
Будьте осторожны со своими желаниями. Иногда они исполняются.
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Will there be gaming spots for Heroes of Might and Magic V?
Approximately 5-6 people...
We will definitely find some.
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I'm not writing "wishes"; I'm writing what should be if the tournament involves reasonable people. Since common sense is a "wish," I won't repeat the deleted post.
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Offline MerlinTheMagician
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"...including, among other things, a ban on damage/defense calculators, and the use of any print screens/copies of the game screen before the game is finished..."

They forgot to ban the demon table xd
I won't ask why, I'll just ask if I understood correctly that if the opponent doesn't mind, all of this can be done?

You understood correctly. A specific pair of players has the right to agree on any changes to the rules, with the exception of the Rules of Fair and Respectful Play, the tournament schedule, and the rules for being in the hall and at the event.
The published rules are the default rules - precisely for those cases when it is not possible to agree.
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Offline Xocenk
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Is reference material allowed? Physmig? - okay, I see it's allowed. How to control this if it's all available on a phone or in a browser (screenshot and then go to the editor to study it on the go, oops). Draw it on paper (idea from Benis). What is this absurdity?
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Is reference material allowed? Is using a physical copy allowed?
How do you control this if it's all available on a phone or in a browser (taking a screenshot and then looking it up while playing)? Drawing it on paper (idea from Benis).
What kind of absurdity is this?
And how do you control that the opponent doesn't watch a stream of another player?
Rules always assume the good faith of the players.
If you assume dishonesty in advance, then you should only play anarchy without any rules or restrictions, allow ArtMoney... and everything else... or not play at all...
And those who try to circumvent the rules, firstly, only hurt themselves, and secondly, can be easily exposed.
Rules are, roughly speaking, a gentleman's agreement, which each player gives. And whether they keep it or not is another matter, regardless of whether you write down the rules or not.
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What is the purpose of this rule? To determine who is better at calculating guard/memory values for damage calculation manually (will Redwait calculate the final damage using the formula from the physics engine on paper, without a program)?
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What is the purpose of this rule? To test who is better at calculating guards/memory for viewing/calculating damage manually (will Redwait calculate the damage in the final version using the physics formula on paper without a program)?
The goal is simple: to play the game independently using only the game's own tools during a "live tournament."
Otherwise, how do you determine the line between what is allowed and what is not? Tomorrow, someone will write an auto-route planner for the optimal path. The day after tomorrow, a neural network will learn to conduct the most diverse battles optimally (someone has already started experimenting with this). Then they will invent something else about building chains effectively.
And then someone will come to the tournament, and a machine will do everything for them. The question is: what is the point of the player then?
Default rules are needed only and exclusively for those who cannot reach a common understanding. If there is harmony and understanding in a progressive HotA community, then what is the problem? You agree with each opponent: "Hey, there's some confusion in the rules, let's watch videos, take screenshots of the cheapest spell in the game, enter everything into a program that will give an answer about the range of the Pandora's Box, and each of us can use our own secret program." And if the opponent agrees, then play whatever you want, no one will interfere.
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

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In the current situation, it's just a pointless delay in making a move/thinking it through in the endgame/in a battle of noobs. This is when all the calculations/memorization will take place. Instead of speeding up the game (reducing the time spent on it), it prolongs it. I didn't even mention Hota. It doesn't stand out in any way, except for the fast calculation of movements, which was also added in the Fresh mod.

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Regarding h3dm2.1: there's little point in choosing now, as it will likely become the new h3dm1 with an update.
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There's the opponent's turn time to consider your next move. Ideally, the turn time should start immediately after the opponent passes (like on chess clocks). But, considering possible bathroom breaks and other things, this isn't done. There's no production need to speed up the games. When it comes to thinking in the final stages, Reddit will still take half an hour, regardless:smile40:. By the way, regarding PVP battles, this is an interesting point that has been raised repeatedly. There's something to discuss here – for example, a maximum time for a single action in battle. But, until a separate timer for PVP battles is implemented, I'm afraid it won't go beyond discussion. "Stupidly dragging it out"? That's exactly what I'm saying. You can speed up the game to the maximum: you press a button – a trained computer builds optimal chains, plans routes, and conducts optimal battles... Bang – and in two minutes, you get a winner. Now, regarding what Lizard wrote about mirrored templates. The thing is, when forming the template pool, I was guided by the spelling that was sent. I don't even understand how many different types of mirrors there are now and how they differ. I only know that there are versions with cut-out overpowered heroes. So, it's much simpler here – it's possible that most people meant the version 2.1 mirrors (is that how they are correctly written?). But you can decide this among the players who will participate, with a simple vote (if different versions of the mirrors remain by that time).
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

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Offline Benis_xDD
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MerlinTheMagician

"A pointless way to prolong the game"? That's exactly what I'm saying. You can speed up the game to the maximum: press a button – a trained computer builds optimal chains, plans routes, and conducts optimal battles... Boom – and in two minutes, you get a winner.

Interesting ideas, and the comparisons are very accurate!
Okay, anyway, it's unlikely that there will be any players who object to screenshots. Thanks for at least leaving it up to the players to decide.
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Offline MerlinTheMagician
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it's unlikely there will be any player-enforcers who would be against screenshots anyway.
That's exactly the point. It's just that here, by general principle, it's either allow all third-party non-game stuff by default, or forbid all third-party non-game stuff by default.
And to separately write permission for screenshots, separately for a guard calculator, and tomorrow they'll invent some other nuisance. And there are a number of players (among whom are CIS Champions), and this is visible on streams, who do not allow themselves to use the same screenshots.
And at a live tournament, we'll get a conflict situation: a hypothetical losing player will say, what the hell is a guard calculator being used here, if the HeroesWorld rules say that third-party software cannot be used:
"2. The use of additional programs that speed up the game process is allowed, in particular:
- A mod to improve the functional part of the interface - HoMM3 HD,
- Animation accelerator in battles - Cranim.
The player using these programs and files is responsible for all bugs that arise from their use.
The use of any other additional programs and files affecting gameplay is prohibited without agreement with the opponent."
So we, in essence, have simply adapted an existing rule for the tournament, phrased it in such a way that no such discrepancies arise. Because try to figure out in the HeroesWorld wording — does knowing the range of Pandora's Box contents affect gameplay or not?

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Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

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