Forum — Tournament Committee

zoog

6 years ago

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There's no offense in the word "fartozhopiy," it's just envy – so, in my opinion, it should actually be pleasant for them. Accusations of cheating in Heroes are a normal occurrence; it's strange that Tvarina got upset. There must have been something else. A log is needed.

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ffoolabezlp

6 years ago

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zoog

There's no offense in the word "fartozhopiy," it's just envy - so, in my opinion, it should actually be pleasant for them.
Accusations of cheating in Heroes are a normal thing; it's strange that Tvarina got upset. There must have been something else. A log is needed.

"You're showing off with your luck" - this phrase is applicable to a "buddy," not to an opponent you don't know. After that, a barrage of insults and accusations of "crying like a girl" followed, and the phrase appeared on the forum: "there's no place for weaklings here." Is that not enough familiarity and insults?

Grando

6 years ago

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The problem is that giving an immediate tech ban for that level of whining from the positive side is too harsh.
A fair punishment would be a warning first, and only in case of a repeat offense (i.e., actually "next time") a tech ban. But the further problem was that we also had to convince Tvarina to continue playing, because he is by no means obligated to let the positive side's inappropriate whining and attempts to distract an opponent mid-game slide. This is simply understandable from a human perspective. This also had to be taken into account!! And there was no time to let things cool down.

That's why I wrote above that the correct logic would have been to suggest that the positive side write to Tvarina and admit that it was he, the positive side, who first crossed the line of acceptable behavior — WAS IN THE WRONG. That's all that is required from him. That's why he is given time until the next instance, to come to understand this.
And then, if something still goes wrong afterwards, we can consider tech bans and it would be obvious for whom and why.

But even this was not done. And as we now see in this thread, the positive side had yet another repeat offense — a quote from Bubuch.
The solution was approached formally. It turned out, to put it mildly, not great.
The whiner and unmannered player moves on. The best streamer of Heroes, Tvarina, was eliminated from the tournament for non-sporting reasons, having done nothing inappropriate, and may not play on HeroesWorld anymore. Great.

p.s. so the author of the problem couldn't even calm down — in farewell he writes "no place for weaklings here". and yet again does not receive a disqualification for a repeated violation of the rule on respect for an opponent within the same tournament.

sir Davos Seaworth

6 years ago

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The funniest thing is that our "hero" constantly complains that he can't find an opponent for a game. Honestly, it's very hard to understand why?!!

Oh right, "SoD is dead". And also, everyone around is either "lucky bastards" or "weaklings".

positive

6 years ago

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I see the forum is still triggered, so I'll try to respond to the messages:

sir Davos Seaworth

start being rude and provoking your opponent

I don't see any rudeness; I see the common word "lucky bastard," which is quite applicable to Heroes 3. The rudeness (to put it very mildly) was on the opponent's stream. Some real top-tier rudeness.

Sadness

Mr. Positive, you have repeatedly expressed your thoughts not entirely delicately, to put it mildly; I often notice this on the forum.

Probably, for you, communicating with acquaintances and strangers in such a tone is normal.
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correctly, specifically twaryna refused to play.

Perhaps twaryna also feels own self just fine while swearing at many people on stream? Or are the rules only for nobodies?
And note, dear sir, there were no insults or swear words from me—just cold facts about the game, about the game!
And yes, I'm glad the situation was eventually resolved reasonably; otherwise, one could do it from the other side: refuse to play and ask for tech wins at the slightest thing.

Pridu

Well, now I know that telling someone to go f*** themselves is normal for Heroes players.

Yes, you're right. Twaryna does exactly that, and as you can see—he's a big shot and a TOP streamer. It's normal. What's not normal is that the "public" completely fails to see this :)
As they say, you are what company you keep, so actually, there's nothing strange about it.

Tarmo

Positive should be disqualified just for this post, at least for a repeated insult.

You're seriously out of touch; Twaryna wasn't bothered by anything at all before your wildly suffocating messages. What the hell "chocolate," did you come here to cry?

Every place has its own customs—if necessary, go ahead and give a disqualification for forum posts. We'll know that we need to sit quietly and tremble, lest the mighty punish us.

You're the one who's actually out of touch with the world of Heroes. If you don't know how to play and don't understand where the "chocolate" is or which templates are used—be so kind as not to make people laugh and don't write your thoughts on the game.

Tarmo

To the masterpiece "you're annoying me...", a normal response, although usually people respond with go f*** yourself and then hardly anyone is at fault for the subsequent flame war; they would have forgotten it. But then comes this "so you're annoying me," and here, judges, this is an obvious bait for a tech-port, and the problem isn't even that—anyone would have left when the opponent insults them one-sidedly. In fact, throughout the whole correspondence, Positive is insulting.

Indeed, I insult so much that your ears wither. Compare that to how twaryna talks about me on his stream:
f***ing hell, tell him to go f*** himself, %., #%$.
Now that's who you should take an example from. OK, I'll keep that in mind and talk exactly like that next time and say it's normal, since a TOP streamer behaved this way. That's what respect for an opponent looks like.

Tarmo

You're so triggered, as if you're the father of Heroes, but your win rate in ХВ is 10% lower, speaking of skill, and you have "almost" twice as few games, speaking of experience.

Not the father of Heroes 3, but I'll beat you easily.

Dirty_Player

Actually, this isn't normal either. But you started first. Before your "claims," no one said anything bad about you. Twaryna, in my opinion, always communicates with opponents as correctly as possible until he is provoked. How Twaryna communicates with viewers is a different matter; let Twitch handle that.

Oh no, let's not quietly slide away from the word "respect." If twaryna respected (in this situation, the opponent—me), we wouldn't have heard top-tier swearing 10 seconds after my message.
Hiding behind a mask is not respect.
Like, let him say something first, and then I'll give him everything I think of him, just as long as he speaks. Just give me a reason.

No guys, this right here is disrespect. And the fact that you have a different opinion only shows that you think the same way as the TOP streamer and would likely behave the same way.

Dirty_Player

You allow communication that is normal if you're talking to a friend, but absolutely not normal if you're talking to a stranger. You can talk to your friends however you want, but with another player, be so kind as to behave correctly. You've been playing Heroes for so many years, do you really not understand that someone might get "chocolate"? It's a damn random game! Writing something to an opponent over every piece of chocolate, morale drop, or other event that doesn't suit you is not normal. That's why you were given a warning that if this continues, sanctions will be applied. This applies not only to you, but to everyone in general.

For Heroes 3, my phrases were quite normal in that situation, specifically with that opponent, given a certain history of games with him. I didn't tell anyone to go #%$. I was writing to the opponent about the game.
Yes, it's random, but I've had enough of random giving me no chance in key matches. That's what I wrote.

dwp1970

listened to twaryna's stream and believe he behaved as correctly as possible and within the rules

OK, I'll keep in mind that covering a person in sh#t is MAXIMALLY correct behavior.
I can't wait for a tournament match with you. I really want you to behave as correctly as possible (we already understand from above how that will look).

Heroin_HP

It's high time to ban this Twaryna, he's really become annoying.
POSITIVE come to Kyiv, we'll find him and ask him about every word; since Twaryna is big, I'll help you with him, maybe together we can take him down.
ps I know where the arena is :cool:

When the internet was first becoming mainstream—I might have agreed, but now I have no desire to waste time on such nonsense. Should I visit everyone? :)

kamukag3e

Remember this phrase and try to understand it: "respect each other"; if you don't respect your opponent, why do you sit down to play with them?

Apparently twaryna isn't aware of that.

ffoolabezlp

Obvious tech-port for Positive. Moreover, very easily provable.

Well, since you proved it, a tech-port should be given.

=Lizard=

I can just see the guy coming into a poker club, going all-in with everything, and the opponent hits 2% on the river. And the guy is like: well you're just lucky, I'm not giving you the money.

Comparing warm to soft is normal.
p.s. why did you flake and not come to BPT? It was held in your city. All this "poker poker," so much swagger but in reality you play play-money?

zoog

There's no insult in the word lucky bastard, only envy—well, that should actually be pleasant imho)
Accusations of luckiness in Heroes are a normal part of the game; it's strange that Twaryna snapped. Apparently, there was something else. A log is needed.

Turns out there is an insult there; the "public" can't be wrong.
I showed you the Log. There's nothing there. Only 2 words, one refers to me, the other to the opponent.
There's nothing strange about it; that's what happens from impunity. When you're allowed to shower everyone on the internet with swear words and nothing happens to you, then even a word like "lucky bastard" sets your ass on fire when directed at yourself, as we saw.

ffoolabezlp

"you're annoying me with your luckiness" - a phrase applicable to a "buddy," not to an opponent who is unknown to you. After that came a barrage of insults, accusations of "whining like a girl," and the phrase on the forum "no place for weaklings here." Not enough familiarity and insults?

Where did you see a barrage? Maybe on twaryna's stream—yes, there was exactly a barrage of insults directed at me.

Al Feyn

The problem is that giving an immediate tech-port for this level of whining from Positive is too harsh.
An adequate punishment is indeed a warning.

I received it. Well, I won't write anything more than "go," "111," and "+". Although even here, if I write more or fewer than three ones—they might give me a tech loss, judging by the mood of the "public."

Al Feyn

p.s. so the author of the problem still couldn't calm down—as a parting shot he writes "no place for weaklings here," and once again doesn't get disqualified for a repeated violation of the rule on respect for the opponent in a single tournament.

Yes, I wrote it because I believe that's exactly how the players to whom it was addressed behaved. Is one not allowed to communicate on the forum?
And what parting shot are we talking about?

sir Davos Seaworth

The funniest thing is that our "hero" constantly complains that he can't find an opponent for a game. Indeed, it's very hard to understand why?!!

Oh right, "SoD is dead." And also everyone around is just "lucky bastards" and "weaklings."

The funniest thing is that SoD is dying and it's obvious, but our Guardian of the North doesn't want to admit this fact.
Where do I CONSTANTLY complain? I haven't played for 2 months; in 3 days I still didn't play a few games because there's no one. Everyone is in HotA.
I won't play with you, you're shaking over your rating.

How many people are in the SoD Lobby? 10.
And in the SoD chat—484.
How many in the HotA Lobby? 200+

Before, you'd go to the stream portal and what were they streaming? SoD.
Should I mention how things stand now? It's all HotA.

P.S. I'll write it once more for all who are blind:
if you talk so much about respect, then my opponent had none toward me.

Otherwise I cannot understand the fact that 10 seconds after my phrase—he covered me in sh#t from head to toe on his stream. That is not respect. And phrases like: "Well, you started first" (and it's debatable what started, I didn't tell him to go f#%$) don't work. There is no respect there. There's a crown on the head from the importance of their own persona.
That's his business; just stop writing about respect. Because behaving this way is very hypocritical.

Go ahead, there are many of you, you are right.

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sir Davos Seaworth

6 years ago

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positive

The funniest thing is that SoD still has an audience, and it's obvious, but our "Guardian of the North" doesn't want to admit this fact.

How many people are in the SoD lobby? 10.
And in the SoD chat - 484.
How many are in the HoTA lobby? 200+.

Before, when you went to the streaming portal, what were they streaming? SoD.
Do we even need to talk about how things are now? There's only HoTA.

It's strange, but apparently, those who buy the game don't know this (just today, 13 people bought it in half a day; usually, the average is 10 on weekdays and 20 on weekends).
People are willing to spend their hard-earned money to play Heroes, as opposed to the free HoTA. And some still play through Hamachi and other platforms (in HoTA, you can only play through the lobby).
What do you think would happen if HoTA became paid, and "SoD" became free – how would the ratio change?

positive

I won't play with you; you're too worried about your rating.

What a joke, I don't know a single player on Hv who cares more about their rating than you do)).

When you tried to force a tech reset where there wasn't one, and I didn't give you a gum reset, does that mean I'm "worried"?))

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ffoolabezlp

6 years ago

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sir Davos Seaworth

It's strange, but it seems that those who buy the game don't know this (today alone, 13 people in half a day, usually an average of 10 on weekdays, 20 on weekends).
People are willing to spend their hard-earned money to play Heroes, in contrast to the free HotA.
And some still play through Hamachi and other platforms (HotA only allows playing through the lobby).
What do you think, if HotA became a paid game and "SoD" became free, how would the proportion change?

Well, in reality, the statement that SoD is dying is true, unfortunately.
I haven't had any conflicts with any of my opponents, and I can't find opponents to play with for 6 hours on the forum.
And playing with random players who will leave or say, "sorry, a friend came over, I'll play with him," is not something I want to do.
P.S. The last 5 games with random players followed one of the scenarios described above, so I'm not just making this up.

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oxygen_hl

6 years ago

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positive

Back when the internet was just becoming popular, I might have agreed, but now I don't feel like wasting time on such nonsense. Should I visit each one of them?:)

positive

Apparently, there's an insult there; the "public" can't be wrong.

positive

Go for it, there are many of you, and you are right.

— Hello, honey, they just announced on the radio that a psycho is driving the wrong way. Be careful.
— One??? There are thousands of them here!

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sir Davos Seaworth

6 years ago

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ffoolabezlp

Well, in reality, Positiv is right about the fact that SoD is dying, unfortunately.

He will outlive both you and me. If he survives under such pressure, then he will live for a long time.... And repeating like a mantra "SoD is dying/dead" is the easiest thing to do. And what Positiv has achieved once again is to deflect from the topic and shift the blame.

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ffoolabezlp

Well, playing with randoms who will leave or write, "sorry, a friend came over, I'll be playing with him," makes you not want to play at all.
P.S. The last 5 games with randoms went according to one of the scenarios described above, so I'm not just talking.

I used to have these problems quite often, now - only in rare cases. And very rarely does it happen that I can't find an opponent for a long time.

Try spending a few minutes before the game. Clarify whether the opponent knows the rules (including timers), whether he understands that the game is for rating (or not for rating), and how to acknowledge defeat. How much time does he have for the game, etc.