SoY-2: Online Tournaments "Seasons of year" - "Seasons of year" - Autumn Season 2007 — Tournament History online

fReeZtyleR

18 years ago

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Victory Report

Map: World_of_thieves

Tieru (Castle, Christian, Christian) def fReeZtyleR (Castle, Valerka, Valerka) 2-3-6

A "mirror" match. As Tieru said, he doesn't play very well with the Castle faction, but that didn't stop him from playing well. Standard start - Valerka uses archers to eliminate all the neutrals and gain experience. As soon as the second week begins, she, along with upgraded archers, goes to the left corner to capture the castle. There, a town hall is built, and wolves are produced. At some point, I capture Tieru's empty Stronghold, which he didn't have time to defend (he later takes it back). There is a huge amount of resources on the map, so I build angels with Archangels and immediately go on the attack. I attack the main castle in the absence of Tieru's main hero and easily capture it. He moves across the map, hoping to exchange our castles, but my castle already has a growth bonus. That's it.

Thank you for the game - despite his health, he still found time to play with me.

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Kamikaze

18 years ago

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I did the same. I dug up the GRAIL and placed it. Let anyone try to dispute my right to it. On this "map," playing as Barbarians against a castle is like banging your head against a wall. And my plan was to win using the Grail. First, I opened all the obelisks, including those on the opponent's side (sacrificing my main hero with 2 Behemoths, 2 Phoenixes, and some other minor units). If it weren't for the Grail, there would be no options. No artifacts, no utopias. Just a pure dueling map. And as some people write, that this isn't a measure of skill – then what is a measure of skill? A battle against hundreds of archers and a horde of monks, with expert blessing and a hundred orcs firing. Or: how to kill an Archangel? This was a tactical plan that brought me victory. We played for six and a half hours. And I don't have the opportunity to replay this game with Tieru!!! I've already sacrificed a day off. Please excuse me! I was against replacing Tieru immediately. Waiting for answers!!!

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Mori@rt;115045

What isn't forbidden is allowed, especially if there are obelisks on the map.

This is the main thing you should have stuck to! Building the Grail, specifically by opening all the obelisks (in this case, of course, if they are placed fairly – and on this map, they are), is not that easy.

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Kamikaze

18 years ago

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Well, let me also present my report for public viewing ;)

The Horde Invasion

Map #3. One and One.Sage (Castle, Valeska) vs Kamikaze (Stronghold, Gurnisson) – 0:3
A map very poor in experience. A meager number of monsters and territory in general. That is, on this map, whoever has the stronger race is likely to win. There can be no talk of any kind of skill. True, there is a market and a fort on the hill, but that's just a silver lining… In short, the model is close to chess, albeit in a twisted form. And now directly about the game itself.

Our town was located east of the humanoid settlement. The fact that two states could not coexist on such a tiny territory was clear from the start. But the less disciplined and unprepared barbarians clearly did not have an advantage on their side. However, we had something else. Fury, anger, a thirst for supremacy. Hot as flame and swift as the wind, our young commanders dreamed in their sleep of the burning cities of the human-things. But how to overcome these professional killers, soldiers with a capital S?
But one day, unexpectedly, a solution to this problem was found.
- We are the HORDE, they themselves christened us with that word, - said the clan elder. – That means there should be so many of us that counting us is impossible. One of the wisest (and can you imagine the wisest among barbarians) of our shamans saw something in his orb of fate… A MONUMENT TO THE GODS OF WAR.
- What is that crap, - the half-drunk ogres and goblins howled, - what monument, we don't have a monument.
- Nobody knows where it is. But legend says that whoever erects such a monument on the central square of a city will be invincible on the battlefield, and even if he is defeated, his blood-brothers will come to replace him.
- And what good is that to us? We're not going to build anything…
- Shut up, all of you… we will dig, DIG, got it, you freaks?
In short, everyone went to dig, and they dug, so to speak, from the fence until lunch. And soon this activity began to bore our valiant soldiers. Talk started, like let's pressure the elder, let him dig himself. Then one young warrior, accidentally stumbling upon a strange monolith in the mountains, dug up a small chest from under its base, which contained a piece of a map, but very old and incomprehensible. The wisest of the wise almost unraveled the secret of this magic map, but then said that this piece was not enough to solve the puzzle (quite the scholar, eh).
Now everyone rushed to look for the same ancient structures that were on the mountain.
But there was one general in our army, lucky us, who decided that unraveling the secret of the ancient manuscript would be harder than everyone thought. He decided to muster an army and go marauding through the lands of men.
- Here is the crystal of Egress, - father Gurnisson blessed his son on the long journey. – If things get really tough, just break it and it will save you (for some reason, the northerners did not consider fleeing the battlefield shameful). But only once, a broken Egress has no magical properties.
The path to the Men lay through an underground tunnel. Various types often loitered there, searching for all sorts of oddities. To each their own. So our hero, after some difficulty, once stumbled upon the encampment of some mage from Crimea. He promised the barbarian, for a certain number of rare reagents, two creatures of the Fire Element, of heavenly beauty. Thus Gurnisson exchanged four thousand gold and some quantity of quicksilver oil for two Phoenixes. Quite a sight – tame Firebirds! Beautiful!
In short, the Son of the Horde walked and walked through the lands of the little people, when suddenly a beautiful obelisk appeared in his path. The marble column sparkled and shimmered with a million shades. It was a completely different ancient monument, not like the one in our village. And such a calm enveloped the commander that he didn't even notice the enemy army. And the loyal warriors were already carrying a chest dug up from under the aforementioned column. Seeing his valiant officers being slaughtered like lambs, Gurnisson decided to flee, but remembering the crystal, without much thought, he cracked the stone against a stone. And a mist rose, and a whirlwind spun, and the whirlwind lifted the remnants of our hero's army into the air…

- Where am I? Who is here?
- He's alive, alive…

- Father, can you imagine such a thing…
- This is the great Egress, my son!

Everyone who could come gathered at the council. Seven pieces of the map, all the columns dug up. The wise men are in shock – what to do with all this. They decided to wait for a sign from the gods.
- I have a chest here, - a confident voice rang out from the hall, - there's a piece of the map and a little bag of powder inside.
In short, they laid out the map fragments on the table (somehow, naturally), sprinkled them with powder, and the shaman was just about to cast a spell when suddenly the pieces attached themselves to each other and a golden cross lit up in the very center.

A week later, they dragged the monument into the city. They installed it on the main square and waited… for something. Nothing happened, except that the city began to grow and expand, the number of inhabitants kept increasing, and the people began to get rich. A month later, having gathered a multi-million strong army of little green fellows, Gurnisson moved towards the western lands.
- Here is your crystal, young man, - the elder came out to meet the hero, - every general receives such a stone upon coming of age.
- I came of age four years ago!
- That's what I'm saying – you came of age, so receive it.

Apparently, the winds know how to spread news, or someone else… but the men were ready for war. And although there were half as many of them, they did not let their city be captured. Some chariot in chain mail burst out like a stormy river current from behind the capital's walls and scattered the multi-thousand-strong army.
Again the little stone came in handy. Again, Gurnisson was welcomed home like a hero. Again they gave him a million warriors, and again into battle… But this time there was no crystal of Egress. The northern tribes only gave one per snout to their children. True, the men didn't know how to breed that fast, so Gurnisson this time simply broke down the city walls and burst in like the Whirlwind of Egress, and destroyed the human race on this land. And the orcs and goblins, ogres and monsters began to live in peace and harmony. True, bloody massacres sometimes happened, but they always ended in wild orgies, so the barbarian race only multiplied and flourished. THE END!
PS: The tactical and technical specifications can be viewed in Sage's report.

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Kamikaze

18 years ago

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:p Saves. Before and after the battle!!! :p

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Sage

18 years ago

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Kamikaze;115194

I'll join in. I dug up the GRAIL and placed it. Let someone try to dispute my right to it.

I didn't pay much attention to the Grail (I almost never dig it up). If digging up the Grail is not prohibited by the rules at the time of the game, then it's pointless to dispute the player's right to dig it up.

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invisible

18 years ago

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"On this map, playing as Barbarians against a Castle is like banging your head against a wall." I agree, but despite that, the map has become popular. The last three games in a row were played on it. :) "This is the main thing you should stick to! Build the Grail, but only after opening all the obelisks." I absolutely agree. It should only be done after opening ALL the obelisks. Otherwise, it's unfair, because the Grail can be found after visiting only 2-3 obelisks, and then it will be luck that determines who gets it based on which picture is revealed.

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Alex_R

18 years ago

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Dudge;115066

The Grail is not prohibited. It's not stated in the rules.

I agree, there’s nothing said about the Grail in the rules, just like in the previous tournament when, after your game with Crash, a verbal agreement was reached with everyone that “from now on, there will be no Grails on any maps.”
Those who don’t remember should carefully read post #29 of the thread “Reports on victories and defeats”
here is a link to it /topic/at/84678/

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Kamikaze;115194

And I join in. I dug up the GRAIL and placed it. And let someone try to dispute my right to do so.

I won’t challenge the right, but I think it’s not entirely correct to ignore the situation Crash found himself in, and the decision that was made afterwards regarding the Grail... Especially since you participated in that tournament, unlike Moriart!!!

Kamikaze;115194

On this "map," playing Barbarians against Castle is like banging your head against a wall. And my plan was precisely to use the Grail to win. First, I opened all the obelisks, including those on the opponent's respawn (sacrificing my main hero with 2 Behemoths, 2 Phoenixes, and some other minor units).
If it weren't for the Grail, there would be no options. No artifacts, no Dragon Utopia. A pure dueling map. And as some write, that this isn't an indicator of skill – then what is an indicator of skill? A battle against hundreds of archers and a crowd of monks, with expert blessing and shooting from a hundred orcs. Or: how to kill an Archangel?
It was a tactical plan that brought me victory.
We played for six and a half hours. And I don't have the opportunity to replay this game with Tieru!!! I already sacrificed a day off. Sorry!

I am not competent to decide whether you won fairly and whether your game will be defended, but at least I disagree that without the Grail, the game would have been unfair... You and your opponent chose the factions yourselves, without any restrictions...
Skill lies in duels ;)

Kamikaze;115194

This is the most important thing you should have adhered to! To dig up the Grail, specifically by opening all the obelisks (in this case, of course, if they are placed honestly - which is exactly the case on this map) is not so simple.

Well, now I’m starting to doubt “is it okay to play with the Grail?” - but the fact that you opened all the obelisks is really commendable ... even though there are no complaints that you dug it up on the first try ;), because sometimes people dig it up on the first try even without a "map-puzzle," which is very suspicious

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Ley

18 years ago

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Alex_R;115262

Well, now I'm starting to doubt whether it's "okay to play with the Grail?" - but the fact that you opened all the obelisks is really commendable... even though there are no complaints that you dug it up on the first try ;) , because sometimes people dig it up on the first try even without a "map-riddle," which is quite suspicious.

And what's so suspicious about that? It's as if you haven't found yourself in this situation before...

Yes, and one more thing: you're writing about a duel... - so what? That's exactly what it is: a fair competition for the player, within the existing rules, and whoever digs it up first doesn't make it an "anti-duel," but rather shows the skill level of that person. What's wrong with that?

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Аделаида

18 years ago

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In general, digging up the Grail is not allowed, and there was an agreement about this from the previous season, but new players, and even old ones, are not required to remember all the tournament posts. I didn't write about it in the rules because I removed all the obelisks from the map, and such a prohibition in the rules would be redundant (I ban a number of spells and artifacts on the maps, and I don't think it's necessary to list everything, and besides, if it's like the obelisk situation, if I check the city portal on the map and it turns out to be in Utopia, and it's forbidden in the rules, it will be very bad). In general, the current situation with this map is entirely my fault. But nevertheless, a solution to the current situation has been found: The match between Kamikaze and Sage - due to another (and final!!!) replacement in the bracket, Tieru takes Sage's place, and Tieru receives a technical defeat for the match in the first round for not showing up. Therefore, the outcome of this match, in the grand scheme of things, does not affect the number of Reputation Points in this group. The match between Alex R and Moriarty, I would declare this match valid if the Grail had been dug up with the puzzle map fully revealed - although this is not explicitly stated in the rules, I think everyone will agree that fully revealing the puzzle map before digging up the Grail is something that goes without saying. Therefore, this match will need to be replayed by the end of next week, with a new save on a different map. Regarding the question about adding Rust Dragons, in order not to confuse players who have not had time to familiarize themselves with all the maps in detail, this quest will simply be removed from the map. The question about Solmyr has already been correctly answered: literacy can be used, and the correct answer has also been given regarding the banned heroes - they can be dismissed when the hero's level increases by 2, after the starting level.

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Alex_R

18 years ago

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Ley;115277

What's suspicious about that? It's as if you haven't found yourself in this situation before...

Never against a person - I haven't dug up the Grail on the first try, it was all at once:D

Ley;115277

Yes, and also: you're talking about a duel... - so what? That's exactly what it is, a fair competition for the player, within the existing rules, and whoever digs it up first doesn't create an "anti-duel," but rather shows the skill level of that person. What's wrong with that?

That's right... the Grail doesn't disrupt the balance, but only if both players use or don't use this opportunity, but if one plays with a Grail ban, and the other digs it up - then you understand :D :D :D
Okay... it doesn't matter anymore... I see the organizer has already decided...:smile51:

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Ley

18 years ago

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2 Adelaide: Here, the organizer has the right to change the rules during the tournament – that’s fine, but what if a flaw is discovered later, after the completion of a particular stage (round)? What should be done in that case? In this specific situation, a solution has been found, but what if this happens again...? I mean, what should be done about the organizer's mistake itself – a replay?

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Аделаида

18 years ago

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I will try to ensure that there are fewer such mistakes in the future, but each individual case will be considered separately. I am against replays; players should not suffer and waste additional time.
And I repeat, Alex R and Moriarty's game would have been a success if he had revealed the entire map-puzzle.

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Ley

18 years ago

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As I understand it, the Kamikaze game was recognized precisely because all the obelisks were discovered (and used)? Or only because the rules at that time did not provide any interpretation prohibiting the use of the Grail? Or perhaps also because there are no significant changes observed in their group, regardless of this?

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Аделаида

18 years ago

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Heh,
apparently, I didn't read it carefully, because in that group, the replacement was made with the previous player who didn't show up for the game in the first round, i.e., for Kamikaze 3RO, and this game has already lost its importance within the context of this tournament.