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Offline Мечтатель
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You forgot about liches, monks, fanatics, and lizardmen. Regarding the latter. I often encountered many negative comments about them, but I actually like them. They are quite accurate and deal a significant amount of damage (although not as much as some other units). I remember them after completing the campaign in Abaddon for the Fire Witch (I think her name was Adrianne). In the final mission (if anyone remembers, it was a complete nightmare against the undead), I often had only lizardmen left, sometimes around 200-300. The reason is that the AI doesn't perceive them as dangerous units, but they continue to do their job (by the way, they have a good number of charges, unlike medusas). I then used these 200-300 lizardmen to defeat 3 powerful armies (2-3 months in). Of course, my magic was well-developed... Anyway, what was I talking about? Oh, yes. Lizardmen are also good warriors, and you completely forgot about them.
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Actually, you can compare archers based on their stats... Average damage / HP / number of shots / growth... The last two parameters become less significant over time.
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You forgot about... lizards. Regarding the last point... They are quite accurate...
Cool... :)
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I respect the following ranged units:
- Archers for their double strike.
- Grand Elves for the same reason.
- Snipers for having no range limitations in combat.
- Eyeballs (I don't remember their exact name - the level 3 creature from Dungeon) for their piercing rays, it looks powerful.
- Mages, Archmages for the same reason.
- Monks and Liches for their strength.
- Titans - they are simply amazing.
I prefer playing with Eyeballs :)
As for the Lizardmen, I haven't checked their stats, but when I fight against them, I always have a hard time, maybe they have strong defense. - This refers to large numbers of Lizardmen.
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I respect the following ranged units:
- archers for their double strike.
- grand elves for the same reason.
But the sum of two strikes from an archer and a grand elf is still less than one strike from a fanatic or an arch-mage, for example... :) Double strike is just an animation; they could shoot once, and nothing would change...
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But the combined damage of two attacks from an archer and a grand elf is still less than one attack from a fanatic or an archmage, for example... :) Double strike is just an animation; they could have fired once, and nothing would have changed...

Even if that's the case, you have to admit it looks impressive. And for their level, they are strong. Moreover, you need to consider the growth rate. How many grand elves and monks will there be after a certain time, and then you can compare. Because they won't meet right away :)
I've had all sorts of experiences: sometimes grand elves hit monks (fanatics), and sometimes the other way around.
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Double Strike is just an animation; it could fire once, and nothing would change.

Yeah, right! :) And is the Double Strike of the Crusaders and Rogues on wolves also "just an animation"? :D
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Double Strike is just an animation; it could fire once, and nothing would change.

Yeah, right! :) And is the Double Strike of the Crusaders and Rogues on wolves also "just an animation"? :D
What are you talking about? I was talking about archers, and for them, Double Strike is just an animation.
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So, what do you mean by "just animation"?
Grand Elves and Archers deal twice as much damage as Elves and Archers.
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Even if that's the case, you have to admit it looks impressive. And for their level, they are strong. Moreover, you need to consider the growth. How many Grand Elves and Monks will there be after a certain time, and then you can compare. Because they won't meet right away. :)
I've had all sorts of experiences: sometimes Grand Elves beat Monks (fanatics), and sometimes the other way around.

...And they would argue until they were exhausted -
Whose truth would rule the ball in the end,
Grand Elf or Monk?.. But with a menacing shadow
A Mighty Lich appeared in a sparkling robe.

He didn't wait for an answer from the arguers:
"I will judge you quickly - you are equal!"
He waved his wand, and two skeletons
Like twins - joined the army of darkness... :D

An impromptu on the topic of the conversation... I apologize for the lyrical off-topic - any comparison is meaningless without reference to a specific situation. My words are an example of that. :)
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Not bad with your improvisations! But in general, I disagree with you. It is precisely in this way that all units should be compared. Analyze the information obtained and apply it in practice. And if you want a specific situation, then provide it.
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That's exactly how you should compare all units. Analyze the information you get and apply it in practice.
And if you want a specific situation, then provide it.
Here's a specific situation: one fairy can easily defeat a dendroid, which in turn can handle a gremlin... But the gremlin can defeat the fairy without any difficulty... Question: which of them is stronger?

Do you understand the difference? That's what I'm saying - everything depends on the circumstances of the battle.
Therefore, the maximum you can compare is the parameters of the units with each other, but you can never compare their real strength without taking into account a specific situation in the battle.
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...one fairy can easily defeat a dendroid, which in turn can handle a gremlin... And a gremlin can defeat a fairy without any effort... Question: who is stronger?

How can a fairy cope with a dendroid? She should have magical support. And can she handle it without magic? Hardly...

I agree with the rest. We can compare archers based solely on their characteristics, using comparative analysis methods and approximate assessment (the latter is based on personal past experience without empirical verification at the moment).
This can be said about almost any survey or other topic. Nevertheless, it is worth comparing. Maybe you'll learn something useful :)
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Each one is good in its own way; please explain to this slowpoke the charms of Lizards and Cyclops, and also Gogs...

P.S.: The Fairy has an unrequited love; in battle, she goes first, she waits, the wood creatures move, she attacks them, and flies away... that's the whole battle...

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How can a fairy deal with a dendroid? She should have magical support. Can she handle it without magic? Hardly...

With just one fairy, it's simply easy to defeat a couple of thousand dendroids, and not just them ;), it's just a matter of time...:)

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You can say this about almost any poll or other topic. Nevertheless, it's worth comparing. Maybe you'll learn something useful :)

Well, then it should be expressed not as "comparing," but as "discussing," and then doing a personal analysis and making that comparison, because it is through discussion that you can learn something new and interesting, and then consider such a situation on your own experience...
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the most useful units in the early stages of the game are the High Elves; when combined with Dryads, they can effectively defeat almost all melee units (in reasonable numbers).
After them, in terms of usefulness, are the archers of the Knights faction, starting around the second day of the game. If you have the hero Valeska, you'll need around 25 of them, plus or minus a few.
In my opinion, the other archer units are significantly less effective than these, especially during the first month of the game.
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