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I wanted to inquire about the new patch. Were all the changes mentioned above discussed with anyone? Did anyone advise making the changes in this way? Was it perhaps someone's special request? Or is it all based on your personal experience and imagination?

What difference does it make?
I suggest we discuss the problems and imbalances of this mod that have been identified in actual gameplay.
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It doesn't matter.
I suggest we discuss the problems and imbalances of this mod that have been identified in actual gameplay.
Quentin, maybe you didn't notice... (c) song

In fact, there are no major problems with the patch; you can play by any rules or even without rules at all. There are many fans of games without rules (including me). You cannot identify the patch's problems after just 1-2 games. The issue here is not about balance/imbalance but rather that changes are being made based on someone's IMHO.

Here is a recent example. What was the result? No one needed it. It will be the same with Freshmod. Note that in the OFB Tournament, one round will be played with Freshmod, but pay attention to its version...

Here is a quote that accurately expresses the community's opinion:
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Too much text, I don't want to play according to other people's ideas again,
The problem is that people who are far from online issues are trying to "balance heroes" and push their own desires. Moreover, they are doing this not as an option but all at once.

Specifically, changing the First Aid and Eagle Eye skills didn't appeal to anyone. Whether they exist or not doesn't matter. Where did the strange desire to bring dead skills back into the game come from? Soda has more important problems: map generator, starting imbalance, Necromancer (partially), everything else is just dust.

Regarding Diplomacy, fixing the upper value does not solve the problem. It is wrong to assume that diplomacy is only needed for joining ГО. In the first 1-2 weeks, you can join a good stack and gain a rapid pace. This introduces additional randomness out of nowhere (although I really like diplomacy; I even have a diplomacy icon on my Discord avatar). The point is that people creating certain changes are unable to foresee the consequences due to a lack of gaming experience.

P.S.: Also, I do not want to offend anyone; I am simply expressing my opinion on this issue.
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11. At 112, a message about the mod being loaded is displayed in the online chat (author: Ben80).
Since the fresh mod is being introduced into the Blitz Jeb and OFB tournaments, could you add a system message in all versions of the fresh mod that displays the connected version of the fresh mod?
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The problem is that people who are far removed from the issues of online play are trying to "balance the heroes," and they're trying to push their own desires. And not as an option, but all at once.

I have nothing to do with the fresh mod, but I wanted to clarify something about online play – I see that this section (for the HD mod) is in the general online section. That's a bit strange – it seems like not only professional online players play the HD mod...
I posted my bug fixes in the HD mod section – but I did it for all players, not dividing them into people who are supposedly unnecessary and some conditional "center of the universe" to whom someone is trying to impose something (or vice versa, somehow please).
If everything that is posted and written in the HD mod section always somehow particularly offends the feelings of online players, and this is unacceptable, then just say so. It used to be a normal forum where the most diverse players communicated...
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Here is a quote that accurately expresses the opinion of the community:

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Too many words, I don't want to play mind games again,

Funny, but in Heroes of Might and Magic, isn't he playing mind games too?
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To be specific, changing the First Aid and Eagle Eye skills didn't benefit anyone. Whether they exist or not makes no difference. Where did this strange desire to bring back dead skills come from?
And what's the point of getting a skill that is never used anywhere (we're not considering Navigation for Reddit)?
Eagle Eye has been adjusted specifically for online play – now, in the endgame, if you don't have strong combat magic, but your opponent does, Eagle Eye gives you a chance to win.

First Aid can help during summoning, which isn't used that often. Standard summoning through artifacts and creatures is usually more beneficial.
It can also help if you have a larger stack of level 1 creatures; the same goes for the Miner or the Lizard's cool idea with the Gem, wouldn't it be interesting to see its implementation?

I'll note that this is a closed list of changes to the skills; no more are planned.
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Soda has more important problems: the map generator, the starting imbalance, necromancy (partially), everything else is insignificant.
Of course, the main problem with Soda is the generator. But it seems that only Baratorch can solve it. But that doesn't mean that nothing should be done with what is possible.
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As for Diplomacy, fixing the upper value doesn't solve the problem at all. It's a mistake to think that Diplomacy is only needed to join a Guild of Order. In the first 1-2 weeks, you can join a decent stack and gain a huge tempo. And this introduces additional randomness for no reason.

And KZ, KV, Teapot, 15 Vampires, Trogolodites for the Miner, 2-3 medium artifacts on the road, Luna, early control from the guild, etc. – don't they give a huge tempo?
Many possible random factors balance the game.
You didn't get artifacts and creatures, but a diplomat showed up – there's a chance to get into the game.
Are you ready to claim that with these "uncalculated changes," the diplomat will win in 80% of games? With players of comparable skill, of course.

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Since the fresh mod is being introduced in the Blitz Jeb and OFB tournaments, can you add a system message about the connected version of the fresh mod in all versions of the fresh mod?
I'll try to do it in the next few days.
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Heroes 3 is a masterpiece of a game. It's like a painting by Leonardo da Vinci. Any changes should be made with a small brush, in the hands of experienced restorers, with small strokes. But what are these mod changes? It's like they arrived with an excavator with a large bucket and dug everything up and messed it all around. After reading this thread, my respect for the Hota and Baratorch team has grown even more. They treat the original game with care and try to make changes to a minimum, so as not to damage the original masterpiece in any way.
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I agree with you. However, what Kventin is presenting here is solely his personal initiative; other people are not involved. He is asking experienced modders to show some code, and they are doing so, which is the right thing to do. But he is solely responsible for his ideas and their presentation to the public.
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Heroes 3 is a masterpiece.
It's like a painting by Leonardo da Vinci.
Any changes should be made with a small brush, in the hands of experienced restorers, with small strokes.
But what are these mod changes? - they came with an excavator with a large bucket and dug everything up and messed it all up.
After reading this thread, my respect for the Hota team and Baratorch has grown even more -
they treat the original game with care and try to make changes to a minimum, so as not to damage the original masterpiece in any way.

The mod contains many useful fixes that would be good to integrate into the HD mod (some of them have been implemented in Hota).
Hota has a minimum of changes?) There are many more of them than the 4 presented here (native troops in creature banks, diplomacy, first aid, eagle eye - yes, these changes need to be separated from the rest). Hello to the workshops and cemeteries that made these insane additions possible. And the developers don't even plan to change this nonsense.
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Heroes 3 is a masterpiece.
It's like a painting by Leonardo da Vinci.

Exactly. Only, in comparison to Heroes 3, HoTA is a dirty,
vile, cheap piece of trash, designed for mass appeal, and trying in every way to vulgarize and destroy the essence of Heroes. And lately, the aggression of HoTA fans against Heroes 3 has simply reached its peak. They're even shouting things like "let's ban SoD tournaments, let there only be HoTA."

As for Freshmod, it's probably the only mod that (in its first version, 1.0) doesn't cause a HoTA-induced feeling of disgust...
Unfortunately, the developers later went completely downhill.
"There's no need to execute me,sir Davos . I'll be dead before dawn."
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Quentin, maybe you didn't notice, of course... (c) song
Here is a recent example. What's the result? Nobody needs this. It will be the same with Freshmod. Pay attention, in the OFB tournament one round will be played with freshmod, but note its version...

That's certainly a bold statement, but the fact that players are actually using these plugins and even participating in show tournaments with them proves the opposite (we've had tournaments using them). Those who are interested, take an interest; those who aren't, don't. The reason we don't use them on HeroesWorld is because almost everything is met with hostility here, and it's much easier to work with those who are interested. Forcing things is bad.

Regarding optionality — I actually posted descriptions of many plugins, not just one, and anyone who wishes can take only the features they need and enable them. For tournaments, we simply create the necessary builds from them for a specific format. Some guys from HeroesWorld contacted me because they found certain plugins interesting, but how would the others know about that, right?)) This is precisely the flexibility of customization, unlike HotA, where the player plays what the developers forced on them.

If a particular feature is of interest, anyone can always contact the plugin developers and request the desired plugin. Put together the builds you need, and that's it. You can try to achieve something in a certain direction, or you can simply do nothing in that regard. Everyone decides for themselves.

For example, I personally don't fully like large mods where you can't disable what you don't need, but for specific game formats they can be very useful. The more ready-made assets for Heroes 3, the better. The more modders, the better. The more players find something interesting for themselves in Heroes, the better.

In short, all plugin developers are doing great! And every player will decide for themselves what they need and what they don't. Before signing up for a tournament, the player also sees its format and conditions and decides whether to participate or not.

If we take the entire list of Fresh Mod features — I am more For than Against.

There are also improvements to the map generator, which some plugins reflect. And all of this is thanks to Baratorch and the plugin developers. If they hadn't been making their wishlists, we wouldn't have this. We just need to wait and, on the contrary, support the guys' initiatives. Everyone can write their own list of desired changes to the game, but any list can face criticism. And that criticism will not be because someone is stupid, inexperienced, or doesn't understand, but because they have their own views and tastes regarding Heroes. Heroes is multifaceted and can be played in different ways — and that's wonderful.

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Since the fresh mod is being introduced into the Blitz Jeb and OFB tournaments, could you refine it in all versions of the fresh mod to include a system message indicating the connected version of the fresh mod?
I've uploaded versions 1.1 and 2.1 in the first post of the thread. They differ from versions 1.0 and 2.0 only in the way the version number message is displayed.
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It doesn't matter.
I suggest we discuss the problems and imbalances of this mod that have been identified in actual gameplay.
It matters to me!
Because I'm participating in a tournament that requires the use of a fresh mod. This pack, number 3 in my opinion, looks like a "fresh mess," and I have no desire to test it in actual gameplay.
And since the source of the gameplay changes isn't being revealed, it's fair to say that these are purely your fantasies.

p.s. Peace to all.

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Bishop, a mod for the game is, by definition, always a reflection of personal fantasies. What kind of source do you want from Quentin? - the will of the NWC programmers? - something along those lines? Try asking Baratorch about the source. He will also be puzzled. Added after 7 minutes
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I wanted to ask about the new patch. Were all the changes mentioned above discussed with anyone, did anyone advise making the changes exactly like this, was it perhaps someone's special order? Or is it all based on your personal experience and fantasies?:)
Since we're talking about fantasies, let's fantasize a little. Suppose his friends, with whom he has been playing Heroes for a long time, advised him to do so. These friends don't play on HW (maybe that's a good thing), and in general, they don't play very well, let's say, at an average level. And then what?
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Bishop, a mod for a game is, by definition, always a product of personal fantasies.
What kind of source do you expect from Quentin? - the will of the NWC programmers? - something along those lines?

Try asking Baratorch about his source. He will also be puzzled.

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Since we're talking about fantasies, let's fantasize a little. Suppose his friends, with whom he has been playing Heroes for a long time, advised him to do it this way. These friends don't play on HW (maybe that's a good thing), and in general, they don't play very well, let's say, at an average level.

So what?
Mr. Quentin's lawyer, I have already answered the question and stated that I do not want to participate in the fantasies surrounding your client's work, because, in my opinion, this situation with the patch is ill-conceived and affects the actual game, specifically the final part.
Regarding Quentin's offer to test it, I refuse.

As for Baratorch, he initially acted based on the requests and desires of the forum and actively participated in discussions.

The "acceptable part" and the friends – that's the ideal version. Maybe they can test it then?

p.s. Peace to all.

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As for Baratortch, he initially acted based on the requests and desires of the forum and actively participated in discussions.

And Quentin acted based on the desires of his hero-gaming friends. He offers the mod to forum visitors. Still, I hope that different hero-gamers still visit here, not just online players. I remember when the forum was like that.
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The acceptable part and the friends – that's the ideal version. Maybe they will test it then?

p.s. Peace to all.

So, Quentin didn't force you to play his mod; someone else is forcing you – your organizing committee or something like that. That's who you should have complaints about.

And anyone has the right to create and post their own mod wherever it is allowed. They don't have the right to force anyone to play it. And he isn't forcing anyone, as far as I understand. So, attempts to dig into the sources of Quentin's fantasies seem somewhat inappropriate.
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