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Posts from The 8th stage of the annual John Van Caneghem Tournament (2007).
A month is too long; the intrigue and interest fade because nothing happens, and there's no one to compete with online... :D
Discussion is prohibited, which also diminishes the interest, as the intrigue only exists from the moment the Tournaments end until the results are announced, because everyone doesn't immediately reveal their results :smile28:, while trying to find out the results of other players.
Added 1 minute ago AmberSoler;114912
Yeah... reading thirty pages of rambling... :D on quasi-scientific topics... :) It was epic, remember? No other Tournament has generated so much talk...
Ah, that was my first Tournament here :) . And we talked a lot because indirect discussion was still allowed back then.
Added 7 minutes ago Romanuel;114927
I doubt I'll have time to replay from scratch, even though now the overall picture is more or less clear - you can complete it approximately 1.5 to 2 times faster. But at least there will be some result.
It reminds me of Best, when I completed it in 100+ days on my first try and didn't understand how it was possible to complete that Tournament faster :) . As a result, I completed it 30 days faster, and the winner of that Tournament completed it 3 times faster :D (in 36 days, if my memory serves me correctly :) ).
Discussion is prohibited, and that's why the interest fades.
I disagree. If you allow discussion, there won't be any intrigue... Discussion is prohibited, and that's perfectly justified. In reality, two weeks is quite enough for a tournament. I'm speaking purely from experience, not from hearsay. :) In a month, you can hold two or even three tournaments – not everyone will participate in all of them, of course, but the process will be dynamic.
Here, too, half of those who expressed their desire will drop out, and not because they didn't have enough time – rather, they simply didn't have much desire. Some didn't like the map, some didn't like their results, and something else for others... More time doesn't help to play effectively; rather, it hinders.
There were comments above that after playing the map, they saw an opportunity to play more effectively, but the time had already run out. This means they only started playing a few days ago – what was the point of waiting three weeks just to start playing? This isn't a complaint, don't get me wrong. It's just that most people play in the last few days – and no matter how much time you allocate for the tournament, there will always be those who didn't have time to finish, as they say.
Remember the blitz – they managed to play more complex scenarios in terms of optimization in a week, and it was even fun. :) And the quorum was always double.
Just a side note – there's nothing more to talk about for now... :D
Added 5 minutes ago Romanuel;114927
so I'm not aiming for the top ten. unless everyone else also wakes up at the end and can't show a strong game.
I think everyone will be in the top ten for now... Don't worry! :) Romanuel;114927
yes, and also - I REALLY missed something.... this something changes everything.
Scouting... That's the answer to all the questions.
Simply put, two weeks is quite enough for a tournament in real life. I'm speaking solely from experience, not from idle speculation. :) You can hold two or three tournaments in a month - not everyone will participate in all of them, of course, but the process will be quite active.
Yes, as a rule, many players participate in the last few days, so the tournament deadlines can be shortened.
Just sent the final save file. Waiting for confirmation of receipt.
I hope I did everything correctly.
Thank you to the map creator for the excellent map, to the admins for the organization, and to everyone else for participating!
P.S. Please don't judge too harshly, it's my first time doing this.
Romanuel
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I don't expect to have any free time, so I'm sharing what I managed to create tonight. I didn't start from scratch (it's impossible), so the result isn't impressive, but it's decent enough – I won't be too embarrassed. Since I'm heading to the countryside where there's no internet, I'll share the final battle scenario. Just in case something happens to my email... My hero, Gunnar (12-9-8-7), starts from the bottom left town and attacks Crag Hack, defeating him on auto-pilot. Interestingly, the town is now free for a Sword and Shield hero, which means an additional +12 to the stats. Good luck to everyone; I'm going to get some sleep and face some real-life challenges.
Fireball
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Yes, it's already the fifth weekend in September...
2Sage Officially, it is indeed the fifth, but in reality, for different people, this number can easily fluctuate from 5 to 0.
AmberSoler
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If I understand correctly, the issue of redeeming other players' destroyed heroes is no longer being raised, which means the standard rules apply, allowing this procedure. And we consider the ban during the tournament to be a misunderstanding...
If I understand correctly what is happening, the issue of redeeming other players' destroyed heroes is no longer raised, which means that the standard rules apply, allowing this procedure. And the ban during the tournament, we consider it a misunderstanding...
Dear @name, where did you see the ban during the tournament? The rules clearly state (and initially stated)
7. It is forbidden to: redeem your dismissed heroes on the same day (i.e., use the "dismissal-redemption" tactic); it is also forbidden to buy heroes who died in battle (do not confuse with those who fled)!
Nowhere does it say that it only applies to your own heroes. And the fact that some participants, due to the previous discussion, understood this point in their own way is their problem. Moreover, VDV Forever clearly stated his position in post 116
Question: is it possible to buy a dead opponent's hero in this tournament?
no, it is not possible! A dead hero cannot be resurrected.
This statement was the last in the discussion and put a logical end to it.
Sheogorath
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Oh, the tournament is ending soon, and my save hasn't been added to the list yet; I simply can't wait any longer, so I'm sending save number 87. I hope the administration won't mind.
This statement was the last in the discussion and put a logical end to it.
If you want to practice sophistry, I can keep you company. Believe me, it will be interesting... :) But I don't think everyone else needs it.
"A fat period," which has nothing to do with the rules at the start of the tournament, was added during its course... Some saves had already been sent by that time, and confirmation of their receipt was indicated according to the rules...
And if you are calling for logic, I can point out gaps in your understanding of this term. Please, do not take my position as a desire to organize an argument, even if it seems so at first glance... :) I don't want to argue, but simply refer you again to my post #117, where it is stated that there is no prohibition because by default, buying out enemy heroes is allowed.
1. General rules for tournaments have priority - I hope you won't argue with that. 2. The general rules allow buying out another player's hero. 3. If a specific tournament involves restrictions on the general rules, this must be clearly stated in the form of a ban. There also doesn't seem to be anything contradicting logic in my statement. 4. The tournament rules contain a quote from the general rules, which does not change them. The fact that the current tournament rules do not say "You can buy out another player's hero who died in battle" is not grounds for prohibiting this item of the general rules. Because in this case, we would have every right to consider all other general rules, which are not specified in the rules of the current tournament, as canceled.
All points not indicated in the rules of the current tournament, but specified in the general rules, continue to apply by definition. This applies to the question of logic.
I hope you will find it easy to understand these four points and at least acknowledge that my position has the right to exist because it is quite justified. There is no prohibition on buying out another player's hero.
I don't deny your position. But: there is a conflict in the interpretation of the rules. And I pointed this out. Formally, both positions do not exclude each other, but complement each other - any behavior (buying/not buying) does not contradict the rules. That's what I mean... :)
AmberSoler, if I understand correctly, you managed to buy back the defeated enemy hero and send the save file before the rules were clarified, right? ;)
Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...
AmberSoler
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AmberSoler, if I understand correctly, you managed to buy out the defeated hero of the opponent and send the save before the rules were clarified, right? ;)
Exactly. I don't see anything wrong with that – I used the rules that were in effect at the time I finished my final and submitted it in the first few days after the tournament started... It would be funny to see comments now about me violating the rules, referring to the "fat dot"... :)
And in general, the concept of "clarifying the rules" has been confusing me for a long time... How many times can they be clarified? What kind of authoritarianism is this on the forum? The rules are our constitution – they have been established for a long time, and if there is a need to change them, it must be done very carefully, with justification, and in no way during the tournament – will we step on the same rake again in WW2? :)
I completely agree and have no objections to you using the rules that were in effect at the time you finished your game.
Now you have every chance to become a leader in primary skills! :D
Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...
