Posts from SoY-2: Online Tournaments "Seasons of year" - "Seasons of year" - Autumn Season 2007

+1 for banning diplomacy or refusing to accept joining troops!!!! But don't touch the logistics! ;);)

+1 for banning any joining of any troops.

There were player substitutions in groups 5 and 6.

+1 to diplomacy...don't touch the logistics! The ban on joining isn't serious...even 1 map in a tournament is based on this!

So, do we have an agreement? :)
Adelaide, there are already 5 people in favor ;) . So, we'll play without diplomacy and joining. Although, we can play with diplomacy, but we'll refrain from joining (diplomacy will only be used to reduce the ransom cost).
BUT: If the map design includes quests or a scenario that depends on joining monsters (e.g., a map where the quest involves 2 rusty dragons guarding black knights), then such monsters CAN be joined.
I'd like to hear Adelaide's final word and what she thinks about all this. I agree that the creators came up with this skill (diplomacy) for a reason. But this game was originally made for single-player, not for tournaments. So, they won't be too upset with us. ;)

So, we have an agreement? :)
Adelaide, there are already 5 people "for" it. So, we'll play without diplomacy and recruitment. Although, we can play with diplomacy, but we'll refuse recruitment (diplomacy will only be needed to reduce the ransom cost).
BUT: If the map design includes quests or a scenario that depends on recruiting monsters (for example, a map where the quest involves 2 Rust Dragons behind Black Knights), then such monsters CAN be recruited.
I ask for Adelaide's final word and what she thinks about all this. I agree that the creators invented this skill (diplomacy) for a reason. But this game was originally made for single-player, not for tournaments. So, they won't be too upset with us. ;)

Please point my face at those five... I only see three! (Rapper VBN and Dudj)
And I am AGAINST it!!! Banning diplomacy... after all, it is part of the game and strategy... but in my case, yes, I should have refused them... but at that moment, I didn't even bother with it... Just refusing recruitment.

Please, point my face at these five... I only see three! (Rapper, VBN, and Dudge)
And I'm against it!!! Banning Diplomacy... after all, it's part of the game and strategy... but in my case, yes, I should have refused them... but at that moment, I didn't even bother with it... Just a refusal to join.

Rapper, VBN, Dudge, Me, and Uran - that's five, I think!

I completely agree with the previous poster. Something needs to be done about hiring. My brother also had 24 Red Dragons join him (and I'm not even mentioning levels 2, 3, and 4). So, how do you fight against that?)))))

So, we have an agreement? :)
Adelaide, there are already 5 people "for" it. So, we'll play without diplomacy and joining. Although, we can play with diplomacy, but refuse to join (diplomacy will only be needed to reduce the ransom).
BUT: If the map's design includes quests or a scenario that depends on joining monsters (for example, a map where there are 2 Rusty Dragons as quest monsters for the Black Knights), then such monsters CAN be joined.
I ask for Adelaide's final word and what she thinks about all this. I agree that the creators invented this skill (diplomacy) for a reason. But this game was originally made for single-player, not for tournaments. So, they won't be too upset with us. ;)

Only the PROS and CONS of Adelaide's post are being considered... since this issue wasn't raised before... so Uran is a "minus"... and you didn't directly state this after the Organizer's post... but this is a serious issue and requires the utmost formality.

vbn(Necropolis) - RAPER(Inferno) map #7 "Your_final_goal"
Well, this will be a report on how not to do things!!!!
1) (what not to do) I overestimated my skills because, looking at the map, I immediately knew what and how to do!!!
2) I made a quick start and in the first week, I built a Pit Lord's Fortress and a Stronghold (I didn't have enough ore for the Efreet, about 3-5 ore).
3) I immediately headed to the shipyard, captured it from the Medusas, and built a ship - I placed a Scout, and the next day, it collected the wreckage, and I managed to build a second ship and place another Scout.
4) Rejoicing that my opponent hadn't yet ventured out to sea, I carelessly began to plunder the central island with my first Scout, with the idea of immediately summoning a ship and rushing to the far right island for artifacts. Meanwhile, the first Scout landed on the upper island and discovered the most ridiculous artifacts!! (boots of levitation, armor +1 to everything, a useless pendant, and 1 normal artifact - a vial +1 mercury per day).
5) Then, landing on the lower right island one day before my opponent, I was also happy - he had also sent a Scout. I thought I would defeat him with an archer, but that wasn't the case!!! He had Manticores (outside the game)!!! That's why it was so easy for him to grab the shield +12 to defense, -3 to attack, and the sword +6 to attack, and the helmet!!!
6) Never be lazy and postpone until tomorrow what you can do today! This is about capturing 2 Pandoras with 10,000 experience each!!! I hesitated, and Vitaly devoured them with relish!!!
7) Don't be stupid and waste your army on simple neutrals, as I did today!!!
In general, the final battle was terribly funny, with the advantage on Vitaly's side =);) but Chain Lightning didn't let me get bored, and I had fun too =) Well, in terms of stats, after all the artifacts, he was ahead of me in terms of defense!! (12 21 12 13 versus 7 7 13 8) (I'm giving these for memory - I don't remember them very well).
And in terms of the army, there was also an advantage not in my favor =) 19 Bone Dragons and about 500 skeletons with huge defense - what more could you dream of =) + Raise Dead and 500+ mana =)
Thank you for the game, Vitaly =);) It was very interesting =)
ps vbn will post the save +)

Well, RAPER and I were playing a map with 2 rusty dragons, and we immediately agreed not to recruit them, even though we understood that the scenario was designed for us to do so. But on some maps, it might be clearly visible what the scenario intended. On others, it's no longer clear whether these neutral creatures were meant to be recruited or not. So, if you're going to ban something, ban it completely!

vbn (Necropolis, Clavius) vs. RAPER (Inferno, Peer), map #7 "Your final goal",
with an agreement to ban the recruitment of any monsters (diplomacy was not banned :D)

1) Regarding a quick start - mine wasn't slow either.
In the 1st week, I built zombies + vampires + liches + a Castle,
in the 2nd week, champions + dragons.

2) The mistake was in venturing out to sea too late.
I still captured the Shipyard, although it was guarded by gray griffins,
but I didn't have enough wood to buy a ship.

And so, after venturing out to sea, and immediately after that, by revealing the Eye of the Observer,
I saw that the opponent had already eaten almost everything,
I managed to see the "Sentinel's Shield" and was very upset that I was late.

But the opponent, apparently, had not yet revealed the Eye of the Observer,
and did not see the shield; I was heading straight for him, without turning.

Also, the opponent did not collect the artifacts at sea,
one of which is the Hellblade!

I am making the mistake of venturing out to sea too late for the 2nd time in the tournament,
it's time to think about this, otherwise I might lose soon.

Final battle - day 2-3-4 (although the outcome was clear on days 1-4-7).
Clavius 16-23-17-14 (508 mana) against Aiden 7-7-15-8 (211 mana)
would have won this battle without losses due to the large amount of mana and the Raise Dead spell.

"and you didn't directly address this after the Organizer's post... and this is a serious issue that requires the utmost formality..."
Don't take it personally, but I think it's funny. If I raised this issue, then I'm probably AGAINST diplomacy. If you need a written confirmation, then... are we playing Heroes or competing in diplomatic statements?
And from Uranus's post, it's clear that he's not thrilled about this. If you need written confirmations, then... why do you need it? Can't you play without diplomacy?
"So if you're going to ban something, ban it completely!"
I agree, because some players don't even look at the map, and it will remain a mystery to them. If you're going to ban something, do it completely.

Exactly, I frantically search for and examine the map directly during the game,
while the opponent is taking their turn; and even if they do look, it might not be as thoroughly as they should.

Uran and Dudge are for removing diplomacy))
It's easy to do, and if monsters can be hired without diplomacy, then let them be hired (it won't be anything special). But not allowing monsters to be hired that can be hired according to the map rules is nonsense (except for mutual agreement between players).
So +2 for banning DIPLOMACY as a skill (otherwise, why ban heroes with initial diplomacy).

Maybe I missed something, but I still don't understand how players choose a map from the list of maps proposed for the tournament.