Favorites, into battle! - 11. — Tournament History

In reply to sir Davos Seaworth

flate

2/26/2019 9:14 AM UTC

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If at least one Castle is in the upper bracket, I’m in! What about you? :D

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In reply to sir Davos Seaworth

Grando

2/26/2019 9:14 AM UTC

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Darku.

1. The deadlines for the games were specified clearly.
If it was impossible to meet them, it was necessary to inform us.
Once again, for those who: smile14

I am not saying that participants are obliged to play all games and always on time, and that there can be no exceptions or extensions in principle. No, that's not quite right.
I am saying that participants are obliged to make reasonable efforts to play on time, and if they see that there are difficulties with this, they should notify the tournament organizers.
And together with the tournament organizers, measures and decisions will be taken.

The difficulty is that many people have significant problems with making reasonable efforts. And I think that was exactly your case.

2. The statement about the impossibility of contacting me on ICQ is simply a lie.
As for Skype, what Skype? Where, by whom, and when was it supposed that Skype would be the default means of communication? Skype is used only in isolated cases with individuals with whom there are no other options, and even now, the entire forum is switching to Discord.
If it is impossible to communicate on ICQ, you need to use the forum's private message system.
And one more thing: the means of communication should not be one where you can get an instant response – there is no such goal at all. But it should be reliable, where messages reach the recipient, and the history of the correspondence is saved.

3. The reserve week could indeed have been used, but only in the case of requests for games that, for objective, previously announced reasons, could not be completed in advance.

4. If Mojito confirms the report, the game will be included in the ranking. No problem.
The group stage tables are in their final form, and I don't see any reason to change anything. There was no information about this game being played at all.

And once again, if participants do not meet the deadline, it is their responsibility to inform the tournament organizer about what is happening and request assistance – an extension. If there is no request for an extension, I cannot see what is happening with you, and I will assign technical defeats to such games, which was immediately stated in the rules. If there are difficulties, provide information in a timely manner. Timely means at the first opportunity when it becomes clear that you will not meet the deadline for the round.
And request an extension so that the Organizer can see who is not making enough effort to agree on a game on time, or receive clear information that you have objective difficulties.

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Dark

2/26/2019 9:27 AM UTC

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Al Feyn

Darku.

1. The deadlines for the games were clearly stated.
If it was impossible to meet them, it was necessary to inform us.
Once again, for those who didn't understand:

Participants are not obligated to play all games within the deadline, and there can be no exceptions.
Participants are obligated to make reasonable efforts to play within the deadline, and if they foresee difficulties, they should notify the tournament organizer.

2. The claim that it was impossible to contact me on ICQ is simply a lie.
As for Skype – what Skype? Where, when, and by whom was it suggested that Skype would be the default means of communication? Skype is only used in isolated cases with players with whom there are no other options, and even now, the entire forum is switching to Discord.
If it is impossible to communicate on ICQ, the forum's private messaging system should be used.

3. The reserve week could indeed have been used, but only in the case of requests from players for games that, for objective, previously announced reasons, could not be completed earlier.

4. If Mojito confirms the report, the game will be included in the ranking. No problem.
The group stage tables are in their final form, and I see no reason to change anything. There was no information about this game.

Okay, let's get to the point.
1) In a tournament with 100 participants, half or many of them are not yet established members of the forum, which means there will be problems.
2) The tournament rules have been significantly changed, especially regarding the criteria for advancing from the group stage.
3) I have a queue with Mojito from February 12th to February 25th.
BUT, we played a game in January, and he lost the save file, so we started another game in our queue from February 12th to February 25th. It turned out that he could play, for example, on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday, and I could play on Thursday, Friday, or Saturday... He's a very reasonable player, and I couldn't complain about him. Now we've finished the game, and I've submitted the result – the game was played from the save file.
4) How could the draw have been conducted on the 25th if the deadline for the games was until the 25th (is this also a violation according to you? I'm not making a fuss about this).

I ask that you be reasonable in this contentious situation in the group, especially since first place is very important in this tournament (group stage).
No... I will contact the administration – let them decide.

лето 2012.

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MerlinTheMagician

2/26/2019 9:39 AM UTC

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"11. The organizers reserve the right to make additions and/or changes to these rules during the tournament if necessary. "

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Dark

I will contact the Arbitration Committee - let them decide.

I will also send a copy to Rospotrebnadzor and "Let Them Talk."

Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP

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Grando

2/26/2019 9:48 AM UTC

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Dark

Alright, let's get to the point.

Let's do it.

.. I'll contact the admins - let them decide.

Go ahead.

Right away, pass on my request to them to consider the situation if they side with you.
And after that, Shevanesian will appear and write something like "well, what's the big deal," and that I had an unmotivated opponent, I wanted to play, but he was stalling.
And we'll have to come up with a new "adequate solution" for that match, and Sheve will be the one making the technical decision.
And in the end, he'll still be in 1st place, not you. :smile54:

Do you think we'll spend a whole week on this, and your (and Mojito's) opponents in the lower bracket will have to wait all that time?
Because all three of you couldn't be bothered to write to the tournament organizer, knowing that you wouldn't meet the deadline...

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Dark

2/26/2019 9:53 AM UTC

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MerlinTheMagician

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I'll send a copy to Rospotrebnadzor and "Let Them Talk."

Patrol, patrol))) I'll come to the CIS, but not to this one, I'll come to the next one, and we'll see live how you repeat this))) :D :D :D

And regarding the organizer,
I definitely agree with Mohito that he missed the moment of writing about the draw on the forum, but don't forget that there was a great holiday for drinking, I'm talking about February 23rd :cool: :D :D ... I always have in mind the evening of the day after the final date of the round... I'm talking about the draw.
There is a twofold situation here, but we really had a save, and we really tried, that's why so many letters are written...
I don't doubt the organizer as a whole, there are no complaints as such, there is a controversial situation, I would like him to think carefully and consider the whole situation again...

and about the "cotton opponent," it's clear anyway, half of the tournament is like that, the questions are not to me and not to you, I think even

лето 2012.

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Grando

2/26/2019 9:55 AM UTC

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Dark

I don't doubt the overall fairness, I don't really have any complaints, there's just a controversial situation, and I'd like him to think about it carefully and consider all the circumstances...

I tried to analyze the situation in essence the day before yesterday.
Without information about your games and the chances, Sheva is in 1st place in almost 100% of cases.
And whether you are 2nd or 3rd with Mojito is not that important. I saw this and still see it as the main point.

Another point is that you started in January, but didn't manage to play because you had to drink on February 23rd.

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Dark

2/26/2019 9:59 AM UTC

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Al Feyn

I tried to analyze the situation in essence the day before yesterday.
Without information about your games and the chances, Sheva occupies 1st place in almost 100% of cases.
And whether you are 2nd or 3rd with Mojito is not that important from the point of view of the bracket.
I saw and still see the main point in this.

You didn't take into account February 23rd and the fact that we were absent from our workplaces.

лето 2012.

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Ihromant

2/26/2019 10:01 AM UTC

:smile54: :D :smile07:

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MerlinTheMagician

2/26/2019 10:02 AM UTC

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Dark

Patrol, patrol))) I'll come to the next one, not this one, but the one after. Let's see you do it live))) :D :D :D

Come to the next one – I definitely won't be at this one. And bring more money – the stakes are higher in Chinese poker! :D
Honestly, how much longer are you going to keep this childishness up? Look at the table. It's not funny anymore. Sheva and Svarog have the same technical result as you do. If you give Sheva a technical win (and Sheva should have clearly won in this match), he still comes out on top. If you give him extra time, it will be the same. And then in other groups, you'll find those who just woke up and suddenly disagree.
Although everything was written in advance.
I understand if there weren't those announcements from February 22nd and 24th.
But here, everything is transparent; the announcements were made, and the deadline was set. The rest is just the problem of the participants...

Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP

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Dark

2/26/2019 10:06 AM UTC

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MerlinTheMagician

Come to the next one – I definitely won’t be at this one. And bring more money – the stakes are higher in Chinese poker! :D
Seriously, how long are you going to keep this childishness going? Look at the table. It’s not funny anymore. Sheva and Svarog have the same technical result as you do. If you give Sheva a technical win (and Sheva should have clearly won in this match), he still comes in first. If you give someone extra time, the same will happen to him. And then in other groups, you’ll find those who just woke up and suddenly disagree.
Although everything was written down in advance.
I understand if there hadn’t been those announcements from February 22nd and 24th.
But here, everything is transparent; the announcements were made, and the deadline was set. The rest is just… well, it’s their problem.

Kirill, I had a really strange situation with Mohito. I repeat, he’s a super reasonable guy. It turned out that our deadline was from February 12th to 25th... we started playing, I think, at the end of January, then there was a break, and as a result, he was playing from work and lost his save. I said, “Let’s start a new game from February 12th, within our deadline, it’s not a big deal.” We started, I think, playing 1-2 times, and the deadline was already approaching in the game, plus we were in contact about the game; he could play often, and so could I, but the days and times didn’t coincide, which can be seen in the logs. But as a result, I missed the forum because on February 23rd, there was drinking and all that. I woke up today, logged in, and while I was logging in, I was also talking to Mohito, and he told me to check the forum. I logged in while playing, and there was a duplicate post. I started writing during the game; we finished it in about an hour. What’s the point of giving us a technical win? Yes, I missed the fact that I didn’t write to the organizer, but there was no intention to do so, and again, the tournament is about 1st place in the group, and the situation in the group is very controversial. What’s wrong?!

лето 2012.

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MerlinTheMagician

2/26/2019 10:24 AM UTC

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Dark

What's the point of giving us that? Yes, I missed the deadline for notifying the organizer, but it wasn't intentional.

Everything after the words "I missed the deadline" is just excuses. For the organizer, following a pre-defined decision-making algorithm, your team simply didn't exist (none of the players contacted the organizer to say that the game was being played, that it was saved, or that specific circumstances arose that prevented them from finishing the game on time, and therefore they were requesting extra time). Therefore, according to the rules, it's a technical defeat. The same applies to the Sheva-Svarog match.
On February 23rd, you were, let's say, drinking. But were you also drinking on the 22nd? On February 22nd, a message about the upcoming end of the round, the situation in the groups, and the summary of results was published in the morning or afternoon. Or were you already stocking up early in the morning?
February 24th is Sunday; you slept in and then played, what was stopping you?
Mohito lost his save file – they could have loaded yours, he could have made his last move, what's the problem?
I also wanted to drink on February 23rd. That's why, after work in the evening/night (we saved twice – it was a long game that lasted until the second month), I tried to find time to play, adjusting to my opponent (who also adjusted, playing with someone else – and saved the game).
In the SNG-2018 Preds, the first round was missed – so maybe we should contest the results: he didn't have any intention to do so? Reddit, give back the cup!!!

Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP

Dark

2/26/2019 10:26 AM UTC

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Okay, if you insist, I can withdraw my application and agree with the organizers' decision, as you say. Let's do it this way: if the organizers don't change their minds, I'll withdraw without any complaints. Is that easier? Yes, I opened the lower bracket; it's a great, full bracket, and it's been improved! I wish there were always brackets like this.

лето 2012.

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sir Davos Seaworth

2/26/2019 10:36 AM UTC

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Dark

yes, if you insist, I can withdraw my application and agree with the organizers' opinion, as you say.
Let's do it this way: if the organizers don't change their opinion, I'll withdraw without any complaints. Is that easier?

it's definitely easier for Avantgarde.

"There's no need to execute me,sir Davos . I'll be dead before dawn."
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