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Regarding the Igromant rating, I still want to weigh the pros and cons from the perspective of eternity:

- It has open source code, so for eternity that rating could actually prove more useful for the community, because in the event of something failing on the forum, or if ideas for changes accumulate, any random enthusiast could pick it up, just like Igromant himself this time raised the fallen Nitro banner
- The HeroesWorld rating has indeed taken a step forward in recent days, but it is still not in its final state (for example, there is a filter row; the very first idea that came to my mind was to compare my results in blue and red, but it turned out I would see no results at all in any of the filters, and there isn't even a filter by color), and given the closed nature of it all, it remains a mystery why all this is happening and how it will proceed in the future
- Igromant has had and still has his own ideas about what info he wanted to collect and what analyzers to attach to the rating, which, as far as I can guess from the HeroesWorld rating, were not even in the plans (but again, given the closed nature of what's happening, guessing is the most we can allow ourselves)
- It's only better for everyone if there are two options, both of which work, because they also keep each other's quality in check; here I am absolutely certain that it was the creation (and fine-tuning) of the rating by Igromant that made it possible to see what was wrong with the previous version of the HeroesWorld rating

Overall, it seems to me that it would be best for everyone if the Creator and Igromant find common ground, and in the event of changes being made on HeroesWorld, information about them would be provided to Igromant in a correct and adequate form, so that his rating doesn't go down every time for an unpredictable period
This time, fundamental changes were made, which probably couldn't even be discussed in advance — I'm not accusing anyone, I've stated my arguments and position; now that the foundation of the new code has been written, I think it's quite possible to agree on a working information exchange — after all, there aren't 100500 third-party developers here, but just one who is definitely known, and who needs only one thing from HeroesWorld — to correctly calculate the list of reports

(this is all, of course, if Igromant is still ready to continue)

In reality, I don't see the point in duplicating the rating system; it's at least very inefficient from a development perspective, and for players to have two ratings that also differ in numbers offers few advantages. If two calculations using the same formula don't match, it simply indicates that one of the calculations is not entirely accurate, so we will correct everything that is calculated incorrectly in cooperation, rather than by developing two rating systems.

The current state of the HW rating is certainly not the final stage; it will continue to evolve, and much is already planned. In particular, searching by color will also be added thanks to someone mentioning it, and this kind of feedback allows us to improve the rating; thank you.

As I already wrote in this thread, any suggestions and wishes are welcome and will not be ignored.

For now, the list of planned tasks is not being made public because there are quite a few of them, and the implementation deadlines are not yet clear, but as soon as this list is implemented, a new Roadmap will be made public and will consist of suggestions and wishes from players.

All of Ihromant's ideas will not be lost; we have established a dialogue, and he has been invited to join the HW development team, where he will be able to implement all meaningful ideas for the HW rating; he now has all the opportunities to do so.

On Sunday evening, the rating was updated. 1) Added page navigation for the rating. 2) Links to player profiles now have two additional icons. The first one, with a coat of arms, leads to the player's rating; the second one leads to the page with unconfirmed reports about the player.

I noticed that the rating is sometimes calculated incorrectly; after two consecutive wins, points are added to the same initial rating. For example: on January 24, 2019, I received 9 points for winning against Ihromant, which were added to the rating of 1917, resulting in a new rating of 1926. In the next game, on January 25, 2019, I received 4 points for winning against mda, which were again added to the rating of 1917, and not to 1926. As a result, 9 points are lost from the final rating calculation.

The current state of the HW ranking is definitely not the final stage; it will continue to develop, and many improvements are already planned. This includes adding a search by color, which will be implemented thanks to someone suggesting it. This kind of feedback helps improve the ranking, so thank you.

When will the ranking for the current season be launched? Because the season is running, but in reality, it's just games for rating points right now.

Where did I go?
The nickname "Vysokiy" can't be found. Or was there some kind of cleanup in the new ranking?

downgraded :(

seriously though - High is a decent setting
"if nothing helps - try reading the instructions" (c)

The table only shows players who have played 20 or more games and whose rating has changed since January 27, 2018.
To view a table of all players without a time limit on activity, click here.

I noticed that the rating is sometimes calculated incorrectly; after two consecutive wins, points are added to the same initial rating. For example: on 01/24/19, I received 9 points for a win against Ihromant, which were added to a rating of 1917, resulting in a new rating of 1926. In the next game, on 01/25/19, I received 4 points for a win against mda, which were again added to the rating of 1917, and not to 1926. As a result, 9 points are lost from the final rating calculation.

Similarly, the game from 2018-12-28 with kamukag3e is not being taken into account for me. And this same game is not being taken into account in his rating either.

And when will the rating for the current season be launched? Because the season is running, but in reality, it's just rating games right now.

It is definitely in the plans, but there is no answer to the question "when" yet.

I noticed that the rating is sometimes calculated incorrectly; two consecutive wins add points to the same initial rating. For example: on 01/24/19, I received 9 points for a win against Ihromant, which are added to the rating of 1917, resulting in a new rating of 1926. In the next game, on 01/25/19, I received 4 points for a win against mda, which are again added to the rating of 1917, and not to 1926. As a result, 9 points are lost from the final rating calculation.

Similarly, the game from 2018-12-28 with kamukag3e is not being taken into account. And this same game is not being taken into account in his rating either.

Thank you for the feedback; I have added it to the plans to check and investigate the described situations.

The nickname "Vysokiy" cannot be found. Or has there been some kind of cleanup in the new rating?

Here is a direct link to the Vysokiy rating: http://forum.heroesworld.ru/rating.php#/ru/user/31213

The rating on HeroesWorld is a very cool thing. How we missed it back then, long ago... When we counted by hand :D But better late than never with anyone.

I propose highlighting the top five with some special icons. This provides both "motivation" and a "special status." Well, and it's simply more honorable, a badge of distinction after all.

And the first place should be "the most special." (which is kind of a hint)

The only question is about nice-looking icons.

Developing the HeroesWorld rating system is certainly cool, better late than never, as they say. But what's with the attitude of "why bother having a second rating in parallel?" — one that's practically complete, looks way better, has displayable icons, and loads faster? To put it mildly, it's a bit strange. I couldn't care less about fluctuations of a few points. So much work was simply thrown in the trash. IMO, the old rating is as desperately needed as air :smile15:

. IMHO, we really miss the old rating system:smile15:

I agree. It was very convenient.

You are simply conservatives; the old always seems better.

http://forum.heroesworld.ru/rating.php#/ru/user/42820

Games played on February 7th are not being reflected in my overall rating. Not sure if it's a bug or if it just hasn't been recalculated yet.

http://forum.heroesworld.ru/rating.php#/ru/user/36988
After the game on 2018-11-28, an incorrect (previous) rating is taken: 1727 is used in the calculation instead of 1751.
Moreover, the profile view shows a different rating value.