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Offline Piterius
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Why immediately "want" instead of "wish," "can," or "have the right"? The logic is simple: if the rules allow an organization to refuse a request, then it's still a request, not just a desire.

One doesn't interfere with the other at all. And the refusal is not related to whether you ask or want. How is your logic, do you confidently use this word?

I shouldn't ask for something that I shouldn't ask for. And this small detail is not a small detail at all.
Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.

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I would like to remind you that when registering for a tournament, the phrase "Please register me for the tournament" is just a template to avoid sending an empty message. If this wording is undesirable, it can always be changed at your own discretion.
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The text could be: "I have read and agree to the rules."
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I'd like to remind everyone that when signing up for a tournament, the phrase "Please register me for the tournament" is just a template to avoid sending an empty message. If this wording is undesirable, it can always be changed at will.

Kostya, I have no complaints about the organizers or the creators. In my opinion, this is an archaic practice that needs to be eliminated even in the background. It's like having a portrait of Stalin hanging on your wall, but if you don't like it, you can just not look at it :D
Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.

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In my opinion, the phrase "I would like to register for the tournament" sounds better than "I want to register for the tournament." And I don't see any problem with it; it's a perfectly grammatical and adequate option. By the way, regarding the topic of "Soviet-style" language: in English, the expression "Please, sign me up for the tournament" is usually used, which literally translates to "Please, register me for the tournament." And yes, this is a request. Moreover, it's a polite request (horrible, right?). And if we approach it very formally and meticulously, "want" is not a request to participate (although it may be implied), which is true both in Russian and in English. In my opinion, the optimal option is: "Please, register me for the tournament."
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Tournament rules are a kind of offer; take it or leave it. A simple checkmark is usually sufficient.
I disagree with this wording. In practically every tournament, there's a disclaimer regarding participation, stating that they may refuse. In any case, the word "please" is a generally accepted form of address that is still actively used in many organizations in Russia and is used in various forms, without any hidden meanings. In any case, when you "ask to be registered for a tournament," this word immediately implies that the organizer will perform certain actions: record it in a file, conduct a draw, and have the tournament judges resolve disputes during the tournament, etc. In general, this registration form can easily be replaced with "Please register me for the tournament," but honestly, is this really something worth discussing?))) There are more important topics to discuss.

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..In any case, the word "please" is a generally accepted form of address that, for example, is still actively used in many structures of the Russian Federation and is used in various forms, without any underlying reasons..

This is the essence, the pain, and the tragedy. The habit of clinging to a bottle and proving that it's the right thing to do because everyone else does it. And you can even get hit in the face for having a different opinion :) This is a clear indicator of the presence of critical thinking, of the level of development, i.e., of the presence of at least one other, or even several, opinions on the situation.
In short, enough, guys, stop exposing yourselves. If you want to ask, keep asking, in all instances, until you turn blue. I don't care. And of course, it's not important at all.
Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.

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I read this nonsense.
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Petya +1
I also read this nonsense. Go ahead, explain it to me. A grown man, for crying out loud, is complaining about a specific word in the button's name (which, according to your post, everyone is supposed to...). This specific word doesn't offend or belittle anyone in any way – and that's what all my answers have been about. Furthermore, this grown man accuses others of nitpicking specific words... while he himself starts a fuss over a specific word (and then receives further linguistic analysis in response)...
Honestly, it's not funny anymore...
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

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The text "please..." doesn't fit with friendly usability; the user shouldn't have to ask anyone.
Do you understand the difference between a user and a consumer, especially when we're talking about a "Russian-speaking" audience? A consumer definitely shouldn't have to ask for anything. A consumer is someone who pays money (or someone pays money for them, but the key here is "pays").
With conditionally free products, the user agreement usually includes clauses stating that the publisher has no obligations whatsoever to the user. By requesting something for free, each individual is essentially asking: "Please give me your free product; I agree to all your terms." Even if the button says "Avada Kedavra," "You rejected me twice, I don't want to - you said," or "DUDEEEEEEE," it doesn't change that.
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

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Don't trust, don't be afraid, don't ask! SMOrc
Мой любимьій размер - тройка. Будь то конса, утопа или сиськи
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Just in case, let me remind you what Dirty wrote a long time ago – there’s nothing special written on the button. The button says “Sign up for the Tournament.” Check it out

We are talking about the text that is then automatically generated into a message, and which can be edited COMPLETELY.
You can leave the word “Please” if it doesn't bother you, but more enlightened users can write anything they want, even “I demand,” or simply put a modest "+1."
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The presence of the word "please" in any request is a sign of politeness, which is primarily a norm in our society. A polite manager asks his subordinates to come to his office, a subordinate writes a request to the manager asking for a vacation, and so on. There is nothing subversive or outdated about the word "please"; it is simply a generally accepted form of politeness.
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