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Peterius, you missed Marmot's distortion of meaning in your last post. There are not two, but three basic forms of address: 1. (position of EQUALS) SUGGESTION 2. (position from above) ORDER 3. (position from below) REQUEST I think Marmot misled you (he only wrote the second and third), I assume not intentionally, but because he doesn't understand it himself. And you fell for it. And, by the way, looking at these three forms, it seems obvious to me that any request is humiliating. Because the person making the request, by the very fact of making it, acknowledges that they are lower in status. And to argue with this, well, I'll just leave it here, I won't even try to prove it if someone decides to argue. Better yet, here's something else I'll add. In life, a person is constantly in a humiliating position because they are constantly faced with forces that make them feel insignificant. And no matter what we think, we understand this very well deep down. But living with this feeling of powerlessness in its pure form is not easy. And there are several basic options here. Some people go crazy, putting up such strong, concrete barriers in their minds that they don't even notice that a request is, by definition, a position from below. Others go crazy, exaggerating the need to constantly prove their status in order to compensate for the burning feeling of helplessness that is inherent in life and cannot be avoided. These guys have to constantly fight to prove their strength; they can't give in – they'll be torn apart, everyone around them is like that. That's how Kokorin and Mamaev walk through the world, creating conflict around themselves until they meet their "Paka" (figuratively). Finally, about psychologists (I'm not a psychologist either) – they seem to suggest that the healthiest option is to fully experience your powerlessness, accept it as it is, and move on. (They also hint that you shouldn't try to do this without special training; the trick is performed by professionals, and so on). At least, the situation where you "ask" won't be so nerve-wracking. Why worry? In life, you are constantly in a position either below or above. In life, wherever you look, there is a struggle of forces and statuses, and you are guaranteed to encounter situations where you are below. It seems the world is structured this way. Well, okay. If something can be done, then it's not so hopeless from below, we do it. We live on. Something like that. P.S. Regarding what can be done in this specific situation, Dirty offered a good solution. You can edit the message to say whatever you want. Change "Please register" to "I want to participate," for example. If you want to eradicate evil on a forum-wide scale, then I can't add anything useful to that. I'm not familiar with the Creator, and I don't know how to communicate with him. :) I have my own questions for him, which I think are more important.
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In my opinion, the phrase "I would like to register for the tournament" sounds better than "I want to register for the tournament." And I don't see any problem with it; it's a perfectly grammatical and adequate option.

By the way, regarding the topic of "Soviet-style language": in English, the expression "Please, sign me up for the tournament" is usually used, which literally translates to "Please, register me for the tournament." And yes, this is a request. Moreover, it's a polite request (horrible, right?). And if we approach it very formally and meticulously, "
"want" is not a request to participate (although it may be implied), both from the point of view of Russian and English.

In my opinion, the optimal option is: "Please, register me for the tournament."

The topic of "Soviet-style language" is at least 30 pages long, which you wouldn't want to read. But nevertheless, you are an adequate specialist when it comes to comparing "Soviet-style language" with English. Right now, you don't need to be an expert to make expert statements. I understand.)
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Accept powerlessness or ignore the violence?
Here, the guy explores the topic of what we become and how there are always those who defend the position from below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul5oJ3giyzk&t=10s
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Piterius
How is your logic, do you confidently use this word?

I shouldn't ask for something that I shouldn't ask for. And this little thing is not a small thing at all.
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You don't need to be an expert to make expert statements. I understand.
Piterius is such a Piterius...:smile15:
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Decommunization of the brain), I approve.
Piterius, doesn't red-rush offend your sensibilities?
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Thoughts on the "Register me for the tournament" button. I completely don't understand why it says "I ask to be registered" instead of "I want to register for the tournament." I understand the Soviet-era logic of subservience to authority, which has become a habit, where every statement needs to start with the word "I ask," but I don't understand why it's necessary here too?
Petya, use your head (just direct it in the right direction). As long as the organizers and hosts of the tournaments don't get paid for it, the participants are essentially asking. Because the organizers and hosts don't owe anyone anything. And the Soviet era has absolutely nothing to do with it. To put it bluntly, here's an example: I come up to you at a LAN party and say: 1) - Petya, I want a beer (implying that you should go to the store)! Or 2) - Petya, I have a personal request: please go get some beer! Is there a difference? But if you're working as a paid waiter, then I can say from the menu: pork medallions and a liter of light draft beer, please. This doesn't negate basic politeness, but in this model, the rhetoric is essentially different, because waiter Petya in this model is obliged to serve me. Message number 777. Urgent: go to the casino!
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

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Petya, use your head (just direct it in the right direction). As long as the organizers and hosts of tournaments don't receive any money for this, the participants are essentially asking. Because the organizers and hosts don't owe anyone anything.
And the Soviet mentality has absolutely nothing to do with it.
To put it bluntly, here's an example: I approach you at a CIS tournament and say:
1) - Petya, I want a beer (implying that you should go to the store)!
Or 2) - Petya, I have a personal request: please go get some beer!
Is there a difference?
But if you're serving at a table as a paid waiter, then I can say from the menu: pork medallions and a liter of light draft beer, please. This doesn't negate basic politeness, but in this model, the rhetoric is essentially different, because waiter Petya in this model is obliged to serve me.

Message number 777. Urgent! Go to the casino!

Kirill, I don't understand either your logic or your examples.
Therefore, if the organizers don't receive money for their work, does that mean that this very work should be paid for with requests? Is this a new equivalent of money, benefits, or rewards? In my view of the world, not every job should/can be paid for in principle, regardless of what it's paid with. Most often, work is done for pleasure, sometimes out of enthusiasm, and deserves at least gratitude if there is no payment. But to thank someone with a request is something else. Something beyond my understanding as a norm of behavior. What can you buy with a request? Provide a price list.
I don't even want to discuss the examples. The situations and the words "I ask" and "please" are not comparable. If you ask me to go get beer, I have the right to refuse even if you say "please" a thousand times, and you have the opportunity to go get the beer yourself. Here, the organizer cannot refuse without good reason, and you can't play a tournament with yourself. Although, of course, you can)). In general, it's off-topic. The rules of tournaments are a kind of offer; take it or leave it. A simple checkmark is enough in principle. And if you want to thank or incentivize the organizers, then do so, but I'm not sure they accept "requests." But I don't rule out that one can derive pleasure from such a fetish. And here, it's precisely about the Soviet mentality. And for me, you are just another heir to the Soviet mentality, justifying a bottom-up approach. Which was discussed in more detail in the neighboring topic.
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Petya, you are clearly wasting your time and energy on the wrong things...
In other words: you won't get anything for free until you pay! (I'm a perfect example of a Soviet mentality, aren't I? Where many things were free, lol...)

Once again: you pay, and then you can make demands. If you don't pay, you can't make demands. It's a fair and just market system.

If you don't like something, organize your own free tournaments and change the buttons to whatever you want, even to "bite-nibble," otherwise, it's all just demagoguery and hypocrisy.
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

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Petya, you are clearly wasting your time and energy on the wrong things...
In other words: You won't get anything unless you pay! (I'm a great example of the Soviet mentality, right? Where many benefits were free, lol...)

Once again. You pay - you can make demands. You don't pay - you can't make demands. A reasonable and fair market system.

If you don't like something, organize free Tournaments yourself and change the buttons to whatever you want, like "bite-spit," otherwise, it's all demagoguery and hypocrisy.

Free cheese is only found in a mousetrap. It's clear that you weren't taught this in the Soviet Union. Introduce paid registration, and then you'll get what you want; otherwise, it's just demagoguery, talking about something that doesn't exist.
If anyone is wasting their time, it's people like you, arguing about a world that doesn't exist. Savoring and jumping for joy with your absurd arguments.
All that's left is clinging to the word "offer," which was just a comparative argument to an unusual situation, not your absurdities, for which you have nothing to say except to accuse others of hypocrisy. I didn't demand an offer, oh, come on - what's with this psychosis?

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I disagree with this wording...
There are more important topics to discuss.
You need to be able to do this: take something out of context, essentially see a word on a pole, disagree with it, nitpick the wording, express your opinion based on this, and conclude that it's not important at all, thereby inspiring Merlin to a new outburst. Are you a traffic cop by any chance?:D
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Petya, I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't understand what's so shameful to you about the word "please". Apparently, you have some painful memories associated with this word that dictate a negative perception of it. And you certainly have no right to accuse me of nitpicking words, since you yourself, with all these passages, have latched onto a single unremarkable word "please". That is your very own, and only your, word on the pedestal — the word "please".
So, by default — there is nothing shameful or humiliating about asking someone for something. If you think otherwise, then, for the record, that's purely your personal problem. And you shouldn't try to shift it onto others: sort yourself out and deal with your own issues.
Once again. In the context of the HeroesWorld forum. No one personally owes you anything. When no one owes you anything, all you can do is ask. And when I register for a Tournament — I am precisely asking the organizers to register me. I am not paying them for their work — they are not obligated to me in any way and owe me nothing. And I am grateful to them, and I express that very gratitude, for what it's worth, with that same word "please". And that does not humiliate me as a person. By using my "please", I acknowledge the objective value of their labor, without humiliating myself in the slightest.
And dragging "Soviet mentality" into this — that's already some kind of cerebrovascular accident...
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP
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It takes skill to pull something out of context, to essentially see a word on a pole, disagree with it, nitpick the wording, express your opinion based on that, and conclude that it's not important at all, thereby inspiring Merlin to a new burst of inspiration.
Apparently, most people agree with your suggestion, which is why they are silent; all the others who have spoken out are those who are against your suggestion. In short:cool:
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In my worldview, not every task should/can be paid for in principle, regardless of the payment method.
1. Please name the task or tasks that should not be paid for in principle.
2. Please name the number of man-hours you have worked on such a task completely without pay.
3. And please answer one simple question: how will a person live in your hypothetical system of coordinates if, according to your twisted logic, they have no right to be paid for their work in any form (assuming that there are people in the given system of coordinates who are paid for their work)?
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So, if you don't see anything wrong with the phrasing "I ask you to...", does that mean you're just sitting around drinking and are some kind of Soviet-era inferior person? Is that normal? Isn't that a direct insult?
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So, if you don't see anything wrong with the wording "I ask you to...", does that mean you're drunk and a complete Soviet subhuman? Is that normal? It's a direct insult, isn't it?
This is not normal; it was purely a political attempt to spread misinformation, because in this section, everyone can write anything to anyone...
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Okay, it's not a problem for me. The text "please..." doesn't fit with friendly usability; the user shouldn't have to ask anyone...
There are already two independent, strong men who are bothered by the word "please": D. Will the next suggestion be to add a black-colored smiley face so as not to infringe on the rights of the black population? Because there's a yellow one, a pink one, but no black one.

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