Skip to content

Posts from [ТУРНИР-HotA] Hard Choice

4.3 (3 ratings)
Closed
Should we implement a rule that limits excessively long battles by introducing a timer?
51 voters
Single choice Public votes Closed 2018-08-16
This poll is closed.
Yes. The battle ends quickly if it lasts longer than 5 minutes after the timer expires
19.6% 10 votes
Yes. The battle ends quickly if its duration exceeds 10 minutes after the timer expires
27.5% 14 votes
Do not enter
52.9% 27 votes
Announcement
Auto-translated
Hard Choice




There aren't many Tournaments on the map, and this one has been long overdue.

Rules:

1. Each participant plays with only one Castle throughout the Tournament (specified during registration).
2. The Tournament will be held on version HotA 1.5.3 + latest HD mod version; tournament rules are enabled in all templates.
3. Standard HotA rules apply. Chess clock timer is used.
4. Players bargain for color choice rights. If identical Castles are chosen, they additionally bargain for hero selection, except for mirror match templates.
5. Template selection is done by banning. A coin flip determines who bans first; the player who guesses correctly chooses who bans first.

In BO3 series, there are special template selection rules. In the first game, standard banning applies. In the second game, the played template is removed from the list of available templates, and the loser of the first game starts the ban (i.e., bans one more template). If the score is 1:1, two previously played templates are not available in the third game.

6. Players may mutually agree to make any changes to the rules, except for changing the starting Castle.
7. For each completed match, participants must submit a report and confirmation in this thread, created automatically.
Saves from all matches must be saved until the end of the Tournament and provided upon request by the Tournament organizer or any member of the AC (Administration Committee).
8. If, after the time on the timer expires, a player is in battle for more than 10 minutes, their opponent has the right to demand that they finish it (quick battle Q or retreat).
9. The preferred time for games is daytime (12-24 Moscow time) on weekends and evening (19-24 Moscow time) on weekdays. If a participant cannot play at this time, the absence of a game result will be interpreted by the tournament organizer as a win for their opponent.
If an agreement on the game time could not be reached within the first week, you need to write to the organizer to schedule an ODD (One Day Delay). If no suitable time can be found, an ODD will be scheduled for Saturday at 6:00 PM Moscow time.

Templates:

6lm10a, Spider, Kerberos_1x1, Nostalgia, Jebus Cross, Diamond (roads), Mini-Nostalgia.
For identical pairs, the following are added to the list: h3dm1, mt_Jebus.

On the mt_Jebus template, blue player chooses the starting hero first (bargaining only for color). Rematches are allowed once.

On h3dm1, red player can ban from 0 to 3 starting heroes; then, blue player selects from the remaining heroes first (bargaining only for color). If any of the banned heroes appear on turn 111 in a tavern with troops, it is considered a technical rematch. Rematches are allowed once.

On Kerberos_1x1, the timer applies as with other HLs (High Level maps). The default version of the template has been changed for 1v1 games: the center 20k passage points have been reduced to 12k.
Installation instructions: copy the "Kerberos_1x1" folder (extract the archive) from the attachment into the HotA_RMGTemplates folder (only rmg.txt should be inside).

On Nostalgia, computer selection works as on Mini-Nostalgia.

The attached Diamond includes mandatory roads with respawn points. Currently, this version is not installed by default; you will need to add it yourself.
Installation instructions: copy the "Diamond (roads)" folder (extract the archive) from the attachment into the HotA_RMGTemplates folder (only rmg.txt should be inside).

You can study the templates in more detail using the "RMG Template Editor," which is located in the game's folder. You need to run it and open the text files of the templates you are interested in through it, which are located in the HotA_RMGTemplates folder.

Regulations:

All participants are divided into 3 groups of 16 people each.
The Tournament consists of two stages.
1) Preliminary round - BO1 match between players from group 2 and 3. The winner plays a BO1 match against a player from group 1.
2) Playoffs - Double Elimination. The winner of the preliminary round enters the upper bracket (16 players). Both losers in the preliminary round enter the lower bracket (32 players). Games in the upper bracket are BO3. In the lower bracket, they are BO1. Grand final is BO3 if the score is 1:0.

Dates:

Registration until August 18th.
Draw and start of the Tournament: August 18th.
Two weeks are given for a BO1 series, four weeks for a BO3 series.

Participants (48 players):
Rating is as of the start of the Tournament.

Group 1:
2007 LuckyF necr
1933 BISHOP cove
1933 saneok flux
1888 De_Luxe necr
1887 HellLight flux
1824 =Lizard= castle
1802 Jelen117 flux
1791 MikeM fort
1775 ЯR flux
1743 Xocenk inf
1719 u2noob necr
1702 freesha ramp
1670 battanas tower
1662 flate tower
1644 Tyranuxus dung
1643 Antal_RR ramp

Group 2:
1636 RitoSux ramp
1635 =Stinger= strong
1631 Toganash necr
1629 kolianxxxxxx inf
1606 theShevanesian fort
1597 Мирон ramp
1592 Loinz cove
1583 60pW fort
1577 genie. ramp
1534 PROger flux
1533 socola tower
1507 Al Feyn dung
1490 Benis_xDD necr
1482 Javdet cove
1480 Hi-Tech flux
1469 VovaOgo tower

Group 3:
1461 TK_Fred dung
1429 Wallys flux
1361 Limar_Rikon dung
1353 wariator fort
1312 DreadKn1ght strong
1310 Fill-ua tower
1187 Sevan_80 castle
n/r (1546) Nodl cove
n/r (1536) Ashtray castle
n/r (1497) ZOOMisBack ramp
n/r (1472) norinta castle
n/r (1439) AerinSwift strong
n/r (1432) crewgn castle
n/r (----) Pradromalo castle
n/r (----) Vazelin necr
n/r (----) dendroed ramp

You can change your Castle until the end of registration. If you change it, let me know personally.
In reply to De_Luxe
User Avatar
Auto-translated
De_Luxe
thanks for the game
Report accepted (97)
In reply to De_Luxe
User Avatar
Auto-translated
De_Luxe
thanks for the game, it's the 2nd game
Report accepted (98)
In reply to De_Luxe
User Avatar
Auto-translated
De_Luxe
thanks for the game, it's the 3rd game
Report accepted (99)
In reply to Hi-Tech
User Avatar
Auto-translated
Hi-Tech
Thank you for the game.
Report accepted (120)
In reply to Grando
User Avatar
Auto-translated
Al Feyn
The game progressed quite quickly for me. On day 116, I had oil, 8 cyclops, and 2 giants under my control, with Labeta as my hero.
On day 117, I easily defeated a combination of three units and built a guild hall of level 3.
However, my opponent ended the game prematurely, cutting short a promising match.
Thank you for the game.
Report accepted (139)
In reply to Мирон
User Avatar
Auto-translated
Miron
Good Crypts dealt, had decent gold at the start, Mage Guild started building belatedly, and in Conflux too, got the Town Portal on the 5th try, and Dimension Door after 6 rebuilds never got it until the end of the game. Kyrre with Resist, also a max Dragon Utopia dropped for 5 Alliance artifacts totaling +17 all stats, upon seeing the opponent I attacked, Implosion killed all Skeletons, against such stats there was little chance, thanks for the game
Confirmed!
ICQ: 564224919
In reply to Dirty_Player
Auto-translated
Lizard lost an unwinnable game. Or rather, some wild combination of morale and blindness from the unique units allowed him to lose 2 Archangels and ducks. Then he further lost what remained in the Dragon Utopia to a triple. Thanks for the game.
Battle Report Accepted
Сопряжение / Conflux Faction Сопряжение / Conflux
Гриндан / Grindan Start Hero Гриндан / Grindan
Гриндан / Grindan Main Hero Гриндан / Grindan
Победа / Def Победа / Def
Замок / Castle Faction Замок / Castle
Валеска / Valeska Start Hero Валеска / Valeska
Крег Хак / Crag Hack Main Hero Крег Хак / Crag Hack
Map Template
Jebus Cross
Game Length
123 days
Game Date
12/8/2018
Reported
12/8/2018 8:30 PM
Rating Impact Archived
Jelen117 1857 1873 +16 ↑
=Lizard= 1894 1878 -16 ↓
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 12/8/2018 8:51 PM

In reply to Jelen117
User Avatar
Auto-translated
Jelen117
Lizard lost an unwinnable game. Or rather, some wild accumulation of morale and blindness for the unique GR allowed him to lose 2 archs and ducks. Then he further lost what remained in the Dragon Utopia triple. Thanks for the game.

The second tournament of the season (!!!) where my wins are simply taken away by neutral morale. A factor that does not depend on the player at all. Thanks for the game.
http://ru.twitch.tv/lizard_wt
In reply to Xocenk
User Avatar
Thanks for playing! A good game!
Battle Report Accepted
Подземелье / Dungeon Faction Подземелье / Dungeon
Гуннар / Gunnar Start Hero Гуннар / Gunnar
Гуннар / Gunnar Main Hero Гуннар / Gunnar
Победа / Def Победа / Def
Сопряжение / Conflux Faction Сопряжение / Conflux
Луна / Luna Start Hero Луна / Luna
Эльшар / Elleshar Main Hero Эльшар / Elleshar
Map Template
Nostalgia
Game Length
143 days
Game Date
12/9/2018
Reported
12/9/2018 5:50 PM
Rating Impact Archived
Tyranuxus 1770 1787 +17 ↑
HellLighT 1831 1814 -17 ↓
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 12/9/2018 6:02 PM

In reply to Tyranuxus
User Avatar
Tyranuxus
Thanks for playing! A good game!
thx for game
In reply to Tyranuxus
User Avatar
Tyranuxus
Thanks for playing!
thx for game
In reply to Dirty_Player
User Avatar
win with armag, thx for game.
Battle Report Accepted
Сопряжение / Conflux Faction Сопряжение / Conflux
Луна / Luna Start Hero Луна / Luna
Луна / Luna Main Hero Луна / Luna
Победа / Def Победа / Def
Подземелье / Dungeon Faction Подземелье / Dungeon
Шакти / Shakti Start Hero Шакти / Shakti
Шакти / Shakti Main Hero Шакти / Shakti
Map Template
Mini-Nostalgia
Game Length
135 days
Game Date
12/9/2018
Reported
12/9/2018 6:04 PM
Rating Impact Archived
HellLighT 1781 1797 +16 ↑
Tyranuxus 1820 1804 -16 ↓
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 1/2/2019 2:48 PM

In reply to HellLighT
Auto-translated
All pairings for the next round have been determined. I've updated the table in the header.
Just a reminder that, according to the rules, the grand final is a BO3 match starting with a score of 1:0. A different system can be used by mutual agreement. The pairings in the lower bracket are interesting, and you can also play more games if you can meet the deadlines.

There's not much time left, good luck to everyone!

Now is the perfect time to start discussing the tournament system and the map pool.

How do you like this fast "group stage"? Although initially, it was planned to be longer, like in Facebook, with 64 participants.
In the end, after 4 months, we reached the winners' final, and 6 of the best players out of 48 have been determined.

Did the proposed system of using черк in BO3 work? In my opinion, it at least helps to diversify the maps being played.

What other maps should we pay attention to? Boomerang is probably not very interesting, especially with Diamond available. Did anyone like Wicc's new mirror maps?
As far as I understand, Kerberos didn't work out.
Also, there were large and small Nostalgia maps in the pool; is that okay? They seem similar in structure, but they play very differently, right?
ICQ - 703804372
Discord - Xocenk#2473
In reply to Xocenk
Auto-translated
Boomerang (L) and Nostalgia (XL on fast speeds) are decent templates. In my opinion, comparing them to Diamond and Mini-Nostalgia is essentially incorrect. They represent different ideological groups, which I outlined in "Favorites." Diamond and Mini-Nostalgia are based on gambling – there's a very high chance of one-sided matches, as has been repeatedly mentioned in game reports since the first "Game of Thrones." Boomerang and XL-Nostalgia are more skill-based, where the chance of winning depends much more on playing ability. (This chance decreases as playing ability increases, because at the highest level, the score sometimes comes down to "millimeters," but in general, these are quite competitive setups where the quality of play determines almost everything). So, choosing between Boomerang and Diamond isn't about which template is better, but about what type of gameplay will fill the tournament pool. Will there be a balance of gameplay styles, or will one style be prioritized? If Boomerang were in Soda, it would undoubtedly take the place of 8mm6a in the pool (a sub-XL template that, according to statistics, is losing popularity from tournament to tournament). Antares seems very good at first glance, but we didn't have enough time to play it properly. Andromeda is even harder to assess – it's large and complex. Theoretically, it has the potential to become the most esports-oriented template, but we need the opinions of more experienced players and more playtime (and I mean not just myself).
https://www.twitch.tv/grando__
In reply to Dirty_Player
Auto-translated
That’s how it happened. Thanks for the game.
Battle Report Accepted
Некрополь / Necropolis Faction Некрополь / Necropolis
Тант / Thant Start Hero Тант / Thant
Тант / Thant Main Hero Тант / Thant
Победа / Def Победа / Def
Сопряжение / Conflux Faction Сопряжение / Conflux
Гриндан / Grindan Start Hero Гриндан / Grindan
Гриндан / Grindan Main Hero Гриндан / Grindan
Map Template
Diamond
Game Length
125 days
Game Date
12/10/2018
Reported
12/10/2018 1:53 PM
Rating Impact Archived
De_Luxe 1841 1858 +17 ↑
Jelen117 1906 1889 -17 ↓
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 12/12/2018 2:02 PM

Statistics

Welcome our newest member: Emil