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7 years ago
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So, enough with the insults towards Ihromant. The mere fact of how he carries out the work on debugging the HeroesWorld rating deserves respect. Whether to play with OH or without is his right. It's not convenient for everyone, and the opponent's respect (or disrespect) has nothing to do with it.
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7 years ago
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I don't want to offend anyone, but since the Heroes community is expanding, the level of gameplay is also increasing, and sooner or later, OХ will become a kind of indicator of "quality." For fan games, it's not even necessary, but if people want to compete in "serious" tournaments, which I definitely consider любимцев to be, they will either have to catch up in terms of capabilities or take a break from such competitions.
You probably sign up for a tournament to play with serious opponents, but at the same time, you're not drawn to their "level" – some use timers, others have principles. I, for example, have practically stopped signing up for tournaments for this very reason; I simply don't want that kind of experience.
In reply to caliban
7 years ago
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caliban
If you're going to include a restructuring of the library, then do it for everyone.
What specific logic is there?
You can include restructuring in games where one player controls a Castle, and it will be an additional advantage for the Castle; there is logic in that.
Against the backdrop of Conflux, Necropolis, Dungeon, and Archangel factions, strengthening any of the clearly weaker cities is a good thing.
I would like to strengthen Inferno, Barbarian, and Swamp factions as well, but we don't know how. Here, there is an opportunity, so why not use it?

And what is the logic of including it always? I don't know, anyway, what the logic was behind deciding to disable the library restructuring. :D
If anyone knows, please write.
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7 years ago
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Yeah, I'm definitely for fully approving the "sod-serious" tournaments. However, it's so funny to read the above-mentioned people who, at every opportunity, bring up the "Necromancer." Seriously, it's like in school, someone said something that doesn't align with the general notions of the masses, and they start bullying him, and it's not just a one-time thing, they constantly try to rehash (and it would be okay if they could do it well) this topic. And as it is now, what we're seeing is already a clinical case for them (most likely due to a lack of self-affirmation in real life). I wonder, if the "Necromancer" continues to stick to his guns, will the underachievers continue to push with their "intellect"?
7 years ago
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Regarding the "Overtime" (OH) rule – this is what I want to say to Caliban and Hell.
The pinnacle of esports on this Portal is the Final Battle and the qualifier for it – OFB.

If our OFB-12 qualifier went through COMPLETELY WITHOUT OH.
Isn't it too much to ask to introduce OH in all stages of the tournament, which is intended to be the most massive, fun, and friendly to casual players?
Don't you see any contradiction here?
caliban
those who respect each other's time.
To put it more simply, even in the group stage, I would like opponents who will play with OH.

To be honest, I considered the idea that in some cases, we could separate players into different groups. But I didn't have time to fully develop it. And in the case of OH/no OH, we would need to separate 20 people, which could become a serious headache. It's difficult to assess the technology and labor costs involved.
But I want to ask you another question – imagine that in your group, 3 people agree to play with OH, and 2 don't. And before the 1/4 stage, one more person without OH joins.
Would that cause you enough moral distress to not play at all?
In reply to Grando
7 years ago
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Hotseat tournaments – mandatory, SOD – optional. And soon SOD will die out on its own, so it’s a great idea not to include hotseat in SOD tournaments. The SOD players will eliminate themselves:smile54:
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7 years ago
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Since when did qualifiers for any tournament become prestigious? This is exactly a secondary, raw tourney where things are constantly thrown in to be tested; if they work, they'll be included in the main tournament. Essentially, it's a large testing ground. Alfein, you thought yourself smart, yet you don't understand such simple things; again, you didn't even properly read my text—there isn't a single word saying that OH must urgently be introduced into all stages of SoD tournaments (as of now, this is not present anywhere).
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7 years ago
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Jelen117
Tournaments on HotA are mandatory, on SoD - optional. And SoD will die out soon anyway, so it's a great idea not to introduce HotA into SoD tournaments. The SoD players will destroy themselves:smile54:
Your wordplay is playing with fire:smile04:
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7 years ago
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Well, it's not right to force players to play with Overpowered Heroes (OH). Not everyone has that option. And players are different; even a player like "Igromant" can win against any player, and it all depends on the situation.
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7 years ago
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HellLighT
Since when have qualifiers for any tournament become prestigious? This is exactly a secondary raw tourney where things are constantly thrown in to be tested, so that if they work—they can be included in the main tournament; essentially, it's a large testing ground.
So why wasn't OX thrown onto the testing ground? Moreover, your words only confirm mine—it should have been tested on the same testing ground.
Alfein, you thought yourself to be smart, yet you don't understand such simple things; again, you didn't even read my text properly, there isn't a single word saying that OX urgently needs to be introduced into all stages of SoD tournaments (as of now, it's not anywhere at all).
Well tell me, what is it that I didn same understand. You enter the discussion for the Favorites tournament and write that you don't sign up for tournaments without OX.
Why did you write this specifically here, if not to try and convince the community of something? Of what exactly?
We are discussing the Rules of the tournament starting soon. Apparently, you are hinting that something in them needs to be changed? What exactly?
Write directly what it is you want. Don't beat around the bush. This thread was created specifically so one could say how things should be done according to you.
And instead, you write about your soulful sufferings—that weak players don't appreciate you, "the daddy." They could have played with you by your rules.
You obviously forget that they are weak players precisely because they are fundamentally unable to play by your rules, well ok. One needs to strive upward—that's the justification.
The justification has been heard—now tell me, what exactly was this justification for?
How can a tournament be run better than it is currently written? What in these rules needs to be changed and into what?
Your personal opinion isn't fact that it will happen that way, but it is interesting.
In reply to Grando
7 years ago
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Al Feyn
What needs to be changed in these rules, and to what?
Regarding the rule:
Al Feyn
9. In the group stage and early stages of the playoffs, play without simultaneous turns.
Perhaps it would be worth adding that, by agreement between the players, they can play with simultaneous turns?

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And to minimize the number of controversial situations arising from simultaneous turns, the duration of simultaneous turns should be mandatory, for example, 117 seconds, or even less, as suggested above.
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7 years ago
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Puzzz0
Dude, I'm all for a complete ban on "sod-serious" tournaments.
However, it's so funny to read about the aforementioned people who, at every opportunity, bring up the "Sorcerer." Seriously, it's like in school, someone said something that doesn't align with the general notions of the masses, and they start bullying him, and it's not just once, they constantly try to make it a recurring theme (it would be okay if they could do it well).
And now, what we're seeing is already a clinical case for them (presumably due to a lack of self-affirmation in real life).
Puzzz0, if you think that every time the "Sorcerer" is mentioned, you need to clutch your stomach and laugh, then you at least have problems with your sense of humor. If you think that I or someone else is bullying him, then you need to return to our reality. In fact, without any mockery or jokes, and certainly without any humiliation, I was talking about this player as he is. The fact that you don't know me makes it especially funny, considering that you're talking about my self-affirmation. But the young psychologist on the internet wants to show how smart he is, but it turned out to be so-so.
Puzzz0
I wonder, if the "Sorcerer" continues to stick to his line, will the underachievers also continue to exert their "intellect"?
You've already overwhelmed everyone with your "intellect," that's enough.
Al Feyn
What exactly is the logic?
It makes sense to include the "Restructuring" ability in games where one player plays as a "Tower" – and this would be an additional advantage for the "Tower."
Against the backdrop of "Conflict," "Necropolis," "Dungeon," and "Archangel," strengthening any of the clearly lagging cities is a good idea.
I would like to strengthen "Inferno," "Barbarian," and "Swamp" as well, but we don't know how. And here there is an opportunity, so why not use it.

And what is the logic of always including it? I, however, don't know what the logic is behind why the "Restructuring" ability for the "Library" was decided to be disabled. :D
If anyone knows, please write.
I don't know how you can consider the "Tower" a weak "Castle," given the pool of templates that exists now. The "Tower" with the "Library" is stronger than almost half of the "Castles" – if you know how to play it.
So why should cities that don't even have a fifth-tier unit, but were lucky enough to take a "Tower" or a "Village," not build a "Library," while their opponent can? I understand that in seasonal games, you can agree with your opponent before trading, but in a tournament, this seems a bit strange to me, considering that there are no programmatic obstacles.
Al Feyn
Regarding the "OH" (Overlord Heroes) – this is my response to Kaliban and Hell – I want to say the following.
The pinnacle of esports on this Portal is the Final Battle and the selection for it – OFB (Overlord Final Battle).
Here, I agree with Hell; the selection is not even a tournament; the prize is a place in the main tournament, and no medals are awarded for it. If the Final Battle will be without "OH," then I'm out; I can't imagine it in the current reality; the Final Battle might not even take place in that case.
Al Feyn
So why wasn't there a test run of "OH" on the "Polygon"? Moreover, your words only confirm mine – it should have been tested on the "Polygon."
It all depends solely on the organizer. Whatever he decides, that's how it will be. I, for example, did not participate in the OFB, precisely because of the absence of "OH."
In reply to kamukag3e
7 years ago
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kamukag3e
Perhaps it would be worth adding that, by agreement between the players, they can play with the "One Hero" rule?
This point has always been and still is – point 12 in section I.
All the rules listed apply by default.
By mutual agreement, participants can make any changes to them, except for the town they play as (point 1) and the game version (point 2).
If possible, indicate your agreements in the game report so that it is possible to analyze this information.
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7 years ago
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Al Feyn
Regarding OH — this is my answer to Caliban and Hell — I want to say the following.
The pinnacle of esports on this Portal is Final Battle and the Qualification for it — OFB.

If our OFB-12 Qualification took place COMPLETELY WITHOUT OH.
Aren't you asking for too much to introduce OH at all stages in what is, by design, the most massive, fun, and casual-player-friendly tournament on the Portal?
Do you really not see any contradiction here?


Honestly, I had considered the idea that it might be possible to separate people in isolated cases and by different groups. But I haven't had time to think it through yet. And in the case of OH / without OH, you'd have to separate groups of 20 people, which could become a serious headache. It's hard to even assess the technology and labor costs involved.
But I want to ask you a different question — imagine that in your group there are 3 people who agree to play with OH, and 2 who don't. And up to the 1/4 finals, you run into another person without OH.
Would that cause you enough moral anguish not to play at all?
I don't know where you're getting this from? Can you draw me a bracket of opponents up to the 1/4 finals?)
In past favorites, I made it to the 1/2 finals of the lower bracket — which is almost the entire tournament in terms of percentage of games played. Over the tournament, I had, one could say, 12 opponents (11 + a rematch with one opponent), and that's considering I was in the upper bracket for most of the tournament. If I had been in the lower bracket from the start and had managed to replicate that result, the number of opponents would have been much greater.
I don't want to play without OH at all; it doesn't bring me any enjoyment, and I get annoyed by restarts because they take too long. If it's just a couple of games, then okay.
But that doesn't change the main point — thanks to Baratorch, there is progress, but not in HeroesWorld SoD tournaments. That's sad.
7 years ago
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I think it would be a good idea to place the winners' bracket after the group stage. All games should be BO3. There will be few players there, and they will be the elite – only the 1st place from each group. I'm not sure about the losers' bracket. 1/4, 1/8. There will be a real battle in the losers' bracket, especially in the Transition stage.

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