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Hellight, as captain and leader, is responsible for making such important decisions and taking responsibility for them. And you (the team), in turn, can try to influence the captain's choices. The captain won't be able to please everyone or play everyone. As in any sport, the captain won't always choose the strongest players. Those who play will be not only the strongest in his opinion or according to the criteria established within the team, but also those who are available at the time of the game.

The decision to allow players to be repeated in the third game was primarily made due to the small number of teams in the tournament. Also, it is unlikely that the captains will play two games each, given their responsibilities and workload. They should at least find the time and energy for one. They will constantly be receiving messages from teammates, needing to select players, find replacements, solve technical problems, and communicate with opposing teams, etc. If you are afraid of player repetitions in your team and want to play more players, ask the captain to arrange for three games to be played simultaneously. In this case, a player can only be repeated in the third game if they are brought in as a substitute.

In the later stages of the game, we can implement matches between large teams that are not BO3, but BO5, for example. However, at the beginning of the tournament, this is an unrealistic task for a small team of streamers.

You underestimate the power of ignoring, and the captain only needs to play 2 games a week, I don't see any problems. You're just creating loopholes in the rules with such nuances and unwillingness to make clarifications... fine, think about it yourself... but I would suggest you consult with someone who has a lot of experience in organizing tournaments to resolve such issues (for example, Dirty_player).

You underestimate the power of ignoring, and the captain only needs to play 2 games a week, I don't see any problems. It's just that what you consider help for countries with 2 players will be commonplace in others; you're just creating a loophole in the rules with these nuances and unwillingness to clarify them... okay, think about it yourself... but I would suggest you consult with someone with a lot of experience in organizing Tournaments to solve these kinds of issues (for example, Dirty_player).

If Dirty were a more available person, we could do all the Tournaments with him, create regulations for them, and so on. I already bother him periodically, and I apologize for that. And now, with the recent events... some players clearly aren't focused on Heroes right now.

Regarding ignoring – no one is immune to it, of course. But forcing the captain to step down isn't a problem. The problem is finding a replacement for him. And in Russia, the issue isn't completely resolved yet. If Korea doesn't get in touch, or Hungary ultimately doesn't confirm, we might see a separate Siberian team or a division into Western Russia and Eastern Russia, for example, if there aren't any other teams. It's in Russia that the biggest problems with player availability are emerging. Also, many probably have roots in other countries – for example, it would be quite possible to assemble an Israeli team if there's enough desire.

I was even considering a format where large teams couldn't repeat players. But after your comments, I've finally leaned towards common rules with the allowance of repeating a player in the last game – like in card games. It's still too early to rebel – we need to see the final list of teams.

I wasn't questioning the ideas about splitting or the number of teams, but rather the perception of the rules, because people play by them, and if something isn't prohibited, it's usually used. As for splitting Russia, I suspect questions will arise about splitting other national teams as well; in this, I agree with the viewpoint of equal rules for everyone.
P.S. I apologize for posting in the wrong section according to the rules; moderators, please move this.

That's correct. If we had more combined teams or if the teams weren't so small, this rule wouldn't be necessary. And it's wrong to prohibit one team while allowing another. Reducing the number of participating teams just to prevent a player from being repeated wouldn't be acceptable to the sponsor. Ideally, small teams should be combined with other small teams, but as we can see, there are still problems with that. However, if we can combine them, we can reconsider this rule. For now, I don't see any other options. If there are any specific suggestions, I will consider them.

As an alternative, could we allow a player to participate again only if there is an insufficient number of registered participants in the team?

These will be uneven rules for everyone. Any team can deliberately have fewer players. To avoid confusion, the rules should be the same for everyone – ideally. But I also considered this option.

And what about allowing a player to be repeated only in the event of a shortfall in the number of registered participants on the team?

Why even have teams with 1-2 people? That's just a farce.

I raised the issue not about thoughts on splitting up or the number of teams, but specifically about the perception of the rules, because people play by them, and if something isn't forbidden, it's usually used.

In fact, this is one of the main problems of the tournament. If representatives of Ukraine or Russia are playing, they can still somehow come to an agreement. But what to do with a hypothetical Korean who, on Jebus Cross, will fly into the center without breaking the ГО? Or how to prove to him that one road in ГО is a technical restart? Doesn't anyone know the ХВ rules?

Overall, I agree with the position:

one should not confuse a national team with a rabble, a national team implies the best representatives of the country (at least among those who were gathered).

Therefore, if it's positioned as a national team, then only the strongest should be there, and no noobs under the pretext of "let me at least play" should be allowed in. Even if the top players ignore the tournament (which is not surprising), you need to choose the strongest from among those who signed up. No one brings 1000 people to the Olympics or the World Cup just to let everyone "give it a try".

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Please sign me up for the tournament.
Siberia/China/Moldova/Olympic Athletes from Russia

I propose that for the duration of such an important tournament, Siberia be separated from the Russian Federation as an independent state.

In my opinion, it seems logical to:

1. Combine teams with fewer than 3 players into larger, unified teams. For example, create a Baltic team (Lithuania + Latvia + Estonia), an Eastern European team (Hungary + Serbia + and others), or a Rest of the World team (China, Korea, Monte Carlo, Brunei, etc.).

2. Teams with fewer than 3 players should not be allowed to participate in the tournament – this automatically creates problems with the interpretation of the rules, etc.

3. Divide Russia into 2 teams: Western Russia (from Kaliningrad to the Urals) and Eastern Russia (from the Urals to the Far East). The team name "Siberia" is probably not very appropriate for this tournament, despite all due respect.

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I suggest separating Siberia from the Russian Federation as a separate state for the duration of this important tournament.

We could also designate Novokuznetsk as a separate principality. For the duration of the tournament, I am ready to temporarily house a couple of tough guys.

If there’s a vote for captain, I’m voting for Bishop! Regarding who will represent the country, things aren't entirely clear, and the situation is such that players are starting to get angry with each other, which isn't good. I suggest the organizer take a look at this thread:
/topic/8721/
There was an open selection of players, and people voted on who they wanted to see in the national team, plus there was a tournament for 3rd place. Maybe this could somehow ease the tension. But it feels like – everyone should sign up…it doesn’t seem serious considering that teams won’t have more than 3-4 people from each country.

My father is from Syria, and I'm ready to switch to the Arab team if they can gather enough players. We could also add Israel to our team.

1. Regarding the small teams, I'm working on completing them. While searching for players for these teams, I found a lot of information about players from our portal and other sources. The question is whether they will play or not. I also talked to the team captains about merging 2-3 small teams into one. So far, they are willing to play. But even if they merge, the number of teams in the tournament shouldn't decrease. This would definitely not please the sponsor. If any of you know players from other countries or even our players with roots in other countries, please write to me in a private message. This will increase the chances of completing the small teams. I'm also considering forming a world team (from players who are not currently participating). There should be 1-3 reserve teams in any case – without a backup, everything can fall apart at the start of the tournament with the first problems.

2. Regarding agreements and rules. It won't be too difficult to negotiate with most of the teams – they are foreign (we need to communicate in English), but almost all players already play on Hive or outside of Hive, but according to these rules. Since all games are planned to be streamed immediately, the team captains, the tournament organizers, the judges, and the viewers can monitor compliance with the rules and point out violations if necessary. If the violation is significant, the game can be rolled back one turn, and if it is minor, it can either be rolled back or simply pointed out, and the player can be penalized only if it happens again. Of the teams that don't play according to the portal's rules, these are the Czech Republic (although there are a couple of players from this country on the portal) and Korea. Korea is a problematic team – we can only communicate with them via e-mail.

3. The Baltic team is unlikely to be formed. As far as I know, there are several players in Lithuania. But I don't know how many of them will be called up. The Estonian team also wants to participate separately. In my opinion, Estonia will be an underdog in the tournament in terms of player experience, and they are unlikely to be included in another team. But there are problems with players in Latvia. They exist, but there are almost no active players. They won't be able to form a team. Players from Russia are contacting me, wanting to join other teams. But they don't have roots in these countries; they haven't even lived there.

4. Regarding the player selection games. On the one hand, this is great and a chance to complete the team based on a specific principle. But there will still be dissatisfied people. On the other hand, it takes time. A problem with large tournaments, especially team tournaments, is keeping the teams engaged throughout the tournament. It is especially difficult to keep teams from other portals engaged. Then, we should have simply scheduled the start of the tournament a month later, after our selections. Those who are not selected should not be discouraged. There are agreements for at least 1-2 more tournaments with prizes – you can play in them if you want. And then, I physically, financially, and emotionally will hardly be able to handle all these endeavors for so long.

If we take the usual voting as a selection method, then those with whom they communicate more or whose streams are watched more will most likely be selected. For example, we can hold a vote only among the team members – this will exclude a number of viewers and fans, but some votes will still be based on the same principle. Even selecting players based on personal meetings on Hive seems more realistic to me. Or selecting players based on rating, but the rating does not reflect the entire real picture of the players' skills. We can involve players based on their achievements in tournaments in the past year. But all options are not ideal, and everything is up to the captain and the team.

I considered the option of writing the game schedule immediately with the time and date, and letting the teams adjust themselves. This is convenient for both viewers and organizers. But this is not applicable to small teams, which may not always be able to adjust to such games, especially on weekdays. Also, some of the players from the large teams may not be available for some games. On the one hand, more people may play, and on the other hand, the team's strength may decrease. A specific date and time will be more beneficial for some, and less beneficial for others.

5. To involve more players, I see only one option: expanding the games from BO3 to BO5 in the later stages, and only if there are no more small teams, and to reduce the workload on the streamers.

6. Regarding registration for the tournament. At the very top, in the tournament header, in red font, I indicated that registration for the tournament does not guarantee participation in it – this only shows the captain that this player can be used. Although you can simply contact the captain and discuss everything with him.

In general, I am still looking for players for the teams, and you can also help in this matter. Especially if you have any contacts for players. Perhaps I have already found such players, or perhaps not yet.

Looking at the discussions (and primarily any phrases related to South Korea), it occurs to me that for such a tournament, English should be announced as the official language.
And the main tournament thread should be in ENGLISH ONLY, which should be stated in the very first message and then pinned.
Additionally, all captains must register on the forum and post in this thread.

That way, a new space will actually begin to form among all tournament participants, rather than the current scheme of
Russian-speaking community - Armageddets - everyone else
where the left and right sides do not see each other, even though by design the right side should be even more numerous in the tournament

Looking at the discussions (and primarily any phrases related to South Korea), it seems that for such a tournament, English should be declared as the language of the tournament.
And create the main thread for the tournament ONLY IN ENGLISH, and write this in the very first post, which should be pinned.
And all captains must register on the forum and post in this thread.

Then a new space will really begin to form from all participants of the tournament, instead of the current scheme:
Russian-speaking community - Armageddon - everyone else,
and the left and right sides don't see each other, although the idea is that the right side should even be more numerous.

Do you mean removing all text duplication in Russian? After registrations, we can remove it, but for now, let's leave it for our players so they understand what exactly is required. The translator only provides an approximate translation. And in the CIS countries, many know English at a low level.