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The idea that wraps up the topic has already been mentioned – if there is a team, it should be named Donbass. That is, based on the region, and not on the "state." There will definitely be several regions from Russia, and there is nothing stopping us from creating 2-3 teams from Ukraine based on territorial criteria. And we shouldn't delve into political issues – whether Donbass is part of Ukraine or not.

It's not about politics at all. There are just some incredibly stupid individuals to whom you simply can't explain anything. I think it's clear from the posts above who I'm talking about. And it's happened before.

Originally, this thread – the “Tribuna” – was intended as a place where fans of the series could raise any topics they wanted, if there wasn't another suitable topic on the forum. A place to express opinions and even discuss them. However, historically, it turned out (they wanted to make it better, but it turned out as always) that everything was dumped here. And gradually, the thread turned into a place for arguments. It's just the way things are. If arguments are constantly moved here from everywhere else, people automatically perceive new messages in the Tribuna as, "Oh, there's probably some argument going on there. I'll add fuel to the fire too." I want to express my opinion strictly on the original topic. In other words, I want to speak at the Tribuna. Let's create a topic somewhere with the title "Arguments" (I even suggest a more heartfelt name: Debates, Disputes, Analysis, Ego Boosting, Etc. (abbreviated - SRACHI)), we can even create it right here next to this one – and we'll dump all the arguments not here in the Tribuna, which was originally intended for something else, but there. And we can normally call each other names, like "mice" or "inadequate," point out "burning butts," and provide other witty arguments. Just a special zone for flaming. And the Tribuna will gradually return to being a place for civilized discussions. It's just that the soul craves arguments. And there doesn't seem to be a specifically designated place for them. Therefore, we are happy to turn anything and everything into an argument. But sometimes it's the opposite. The soul craves an exchange of opinions with thoughtful people, but there is only one specifically designated place on the forum, but it is already being used for arguments. (I'm serious)

Any political discussions, tolerance-related topics, or religious debates are strictly prohibited. Insults of any kind (from simple name-calling to the gamer-favorite "flaming" and descriptions of intimate relationships with the opponent's family) are also forbidden. Let's keep this place clean and comfortable. :smile23:

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Let's create a thread somewhere with the title "Arguments" (I even suggest a more heartfelt name: Debates, Disagreements, Analysis, Ego Boosting, etc. (abbreviated - ARGUMENTS)),
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(I'm serious)

He laughed heartily. But how will we separate civilized arguments from uncivilized ones? Will we have to split messages from one argument in half and move them to different threads?

How will we differentiate between civilized arguments and uncivilized ones?

The line is drawn in the forum rules, specifically regarding flaming, trolling, and insults. Sometimes it touches on other areas, but these three are the main ones.

So, we'll have to split messages from a single argument into different topics.

They are already being split regularly, moving them from the main forum to the "Tribunal" section.

the boundary is defined in the forum rules under the sections of flaming, trolling, and insults. sometimes it affects others, but these three are the main ones.

insults should be removed and penalized with points, up to a ban for malicious bullies, instead of being moved elsewhere.

And to Sir Davos and Alexey Koburov, I will say the same thing: what I propose does not aim to make things perfectly clean and tidy, nor to delete anything ("shut someone up"). Even if it goes against the forum rules in some places, I suggest we consider whether it would be better to create a legitimate exception topic where there would be a more relaxed attitude towards flame in its various forms?
This legalization has a deeper basis. Forums exist for the exchange of information and, ideally, for the search for a new common truth. If all kinds of off-topic discussions and spam directly interfere with this main goal, "cluttering up the airwaves," then flame (especially subtle trolling) actually helps. Flame rather distracts some participants from the main line of discussion when they take what is said personally, get offended, and start "slinging mud." But the point is that such participants cannot maintain the main line of discussion anyway, with or without flame, so flame works more like a litmus test.
Therefore, creating a special "Preserve" for flame will help to better understand in the long run who is capable of what.

Even if it goes against the forum rules in some way, I suggest we consider whether it would be better to create an official exception topic with a more lenient attitude towards different forms of flaming?

There was a conversation with the Creator about creating a section for "heroes.by," where the restrictions wouldn't apply. His attitude towards this was strongly negative. Therefore, creating a topic or section where people can insult and swear at each other is out of the question!

There was another case when a topic about politics was moved to the "Flood Section," but due to some people's inability to communicate properly, it was closed down.

The conclusion is clear. People don't know how to communicate normally about sensitive topics, so there's no point!

El Fein, your suggestion doesn't contradict mine (regarding purity – just for the sake of argument). Within the context of Heroes and related games, feel free to create a topic for analysis. However, when the discussion veers towards insults like "stupid Russians" and "smelly Ukrainians," it's a problem. Those who are looking for such thrills should go to the appropriate resources.

Dirty_Player, I understand the backstory, I accept it.

It's not about politics at all. There are just some incredibly stupid individuals to whom you simply cannot explain anything. I think it's clear from the posts above who I'm talking about. And it's happened before.

Very funny, Konstantin. I really didn't expect that from you. A mature, well-rounded, and genuinely intelligent person would never call someone else stupid. But if you really want to, be more specific, get your points across, and be a man about it, instead of acting like you want to insult someone but also don't want to face any consequences.

You can't hide from politics because sooner or later, it will come to your doorstep. The question is in what form and with what consequences. You can't just sit it out. And I'm sorry if such intelligent people (and people with brains really do play Heroes) around me on this site don't understand that.

If the site owner doesn't want to talk about this here, I understand, and I won't talk about it anymore. But if everyone around here is so "right," then don't escalate the situation with your "unique" opinions; just wait for the posts to be deleted or edited. In my personal opinion, the terms DNR/LNR are absolutely political and should be corrected. There is only Donbas, and no other terms are acceptable.

I really don't want to start arguments because it takes up a lot of energy. I rarely visit the forum, but if anyone wants to talk about politics, the situation in Ukraine, or history, we can create a conference on Skype, Facebook, etc., once every week or two, where I'm willing to answer questions online at a set time in a completely calm manner. Write to me in a private message. I would also like to ask about the situation in Russia, not from the news and propaganda.

Peter, we had a thorough conversation with Heroin in ICQ, and it's pointless to bring such things to the forum and get all sorts of points and bans – there's nothing manly about it. And sometimes, you need to distinguish between satire and sarcasm and insults. The inability to see this difference is a sign of low intelligence. I think you can perfectly distinguish between these things; your brain is just occupied with something else, which is also perfectly understandable.

You can't hide from politics.

Hiding is impossible, but resting is possible and necessary.
PS: Should we also ban the use of "Ossetia" and "Abkhazia"? The question is rhetorical.

Hiding is impossible, resting is possible and necessary.

Absolutely correct. And I really want Heroesworld to be exactly such an oasis.