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3DogMZA;106892
Don't be ridiculous!:rolleyes: You know perfectly well what Lava Dragons are. Against Black Dragons, which are immune to magic, they can't do much, and they also move slowly; only runes help them. :)
Wow, only runes help them. That's how we reason about the overall strength. High Elves also have luck, which helps them a lot, but we don't consider them without luck. The main disadvantage of Elves is their sworn enemy, which is a very questionable characteristic. I have nothing against them in terms of army strength!!!
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Has anyone considered creating another summoned creature for the Dark faction? For example, the ultimate enemy of the Phoenix – the Basilisk!
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Silovik;106940
Wow, only runes help them; that's how we reason about the overall strength. With the Elves, luck also helps them a little, but we don't consider them without luck. And the main drawback of the Elves is their sworn enemy, which is a very questionable characteristic. I have nothing against them in an army!!!
Firstly, you're good with beautiful words, I won't argue with that. Secondly, you didn't understand what I said. I meant that if Lava Dragons aren't controlled by a Dwarf, and someone else controls them, they won't have runes, and the Lava Dragons will be useless. But if an Emerald or Black Dragon is controlled by another creature, it won't make them weaker. Sworn enemy and luck are irrelevant here. We're talking about the most powerful warrior in any case, and we're only looking at their own capabilities.:smile13:

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ALUCARD;107041
Has anyone thought about creating another summoned creature for the Dark faction? For example, the ultimate enemy of the Phoenix - the Basilisk!
Look at the topic "SWAMP." I want to make it a level 7 creature of the Swamp Fortress.
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First of all, I agree that you have a way with words. Secondly, you didn't understand what I said. I meant that if Lava Dragons aren't controlled by a Dwarf, and no one else has runes, then the Lava Dragons are useless. But if an Emerald or Black Dragon is controlled by someone else, it won't make them weaker. The "sworn enemy" and "luck" aspects are irrelevant here. We're talking about the most powerful warrior in any army, looking only at their own capabilities. :smile13:

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Look at the topic "SWAMP." I want to make it a level 7 creature of the Swamp Fortress.
You didn't say that runes are the only thing that helps them; it's just one of their advantages, like the fact that magic doesn't affect Black Dragons. I simply argued that they aren't useless; they're quite strong and decent warriors for the Dwarf army. Just don't elevate your favorites by putting down other worthy opponents; look for the positive aspects of your point of view!!!
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And regarding Vasilius and Obelix (lol), the fiercest enemy of the Phoenix, it's just that the neutrals are having a little squabble among themselves
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Silovik;107166
You didn't say that, you said that runes are the only thing that helps them; it's just one of their advantages, like the fact that magic doesn't affect the Castle. I just argued that they aren't weak, but rather quite strong and decent armies of Dwarves. Just don't elevate your favorites by putting down other worthy opponents; look for the positive aspects of your point of view!!!
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It's just that if you consider using runes a bonus for the Lava Dragon, then I would consider a well-timed Shock spell with boots a bonus for the Castle.

If the question is specifically about warriors, then it's best to just test it. Take two heroes with equal characteristics, without skills or spells, preferably from an allied but not native faction (this is fairer for neutral units, if they are involved in the discussion). And just have them fight; if the victory isn't clear-cut, then they are roughly equal. :)

But if you take into account abilities, or growth, or special combat conditions, then you could say that a Gremlin with a cart can defeat a Phoenix or a Castle. (Imagine a map where in the corner, on a 2x2 tile, there is an obstacle, on a 1x1 tile there is a Gremlin, and there are also several other obstacles in front of the cart, and the Castle simply can't attack anyone...)
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Silovik;107166
You didn't say that, you said that runes are the only thing that helps them; it's just one of their advantages, like the fact that magic doesn't work on the Castle Dark, and I just argued that they aren't bad, but quite strong and decent armies of dwarves. Just don't elevate your favorites at the expense of belittling other worthy opponents; look for the positive aspects of your point of view!!!
I agree with Supreme; for Silovik, runes are not a bonus for Lords of Darkness, but luck is not a bonus for Infernal Dukes. :rolleyes: And besides, any creature can have luck (it all depends on the hero)! The Lava Golem's ability is protection from Fire, the Black Dragon's protection from magic, and the Emerald Dragon's protection from earth magic. And then everything depends on attack, defense, damage, initiative, and so on.
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It's just that if you consider using Runes on a Lava Dragon to be a bonus, then I would consider a lucky Shock attack with Boots to be a bonus for a Black Dragon :)

If the question is specifically about combat prowess, then it's best to just check. Take two heroes with equal stats and no skills or spells, preferably from allied but not native Factions (this is fairer for neutral units if they are involved in the discussion). And just have them fight; if the victory isn't clear-cut, then they are roughly equal. :)

But if you take into account abilities, growth, or special combat conditions, then you could argue that a Gremlin with a cart can defeat a Phoenix or a Black Dragon. (Imagine a map where in the corner, on a 2x2 tile, there is an obstacle, on a 1x1 tile there is a Gremlin, and there are several more obstacles in front of the cart, and the Black Dragon simply can't attack anyone...)
Once again, for those who are slow to understand, I don't consider anyone to be weak and I acknowledge the strength of units from any Faction, but why the hell do you need to elevate your favorites by belittling other normal and even very strong units?!
That's all I meant, and everything else is just fluff.)))))))

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3DogMZA;107258
I agree with Supreme, Silovik's Runes are not a bonus for the Lava Dragon, and luck is not a bonus for the Black Dragon. :rolleyes: And besides, any creature can have luck (it all depends on the hero)! The Lava Dragon's ability is fire resistance, the Black Dragon's is magic resistance, and the Emerald Dragon's is earth magic resistance. And then it all depends on attack, defense, damage, initiative, and so on.
Yes, but what about your words: The Emerald Dragon and the Black Dragon are the best, and the Lava Dragon is useless! The Phoenix is a summoned creature, and there's only one, but you can gather many dragons!
And all this despite the fact that the Lava Dragon has the highest HP and defense of all the dragons and doesn't cost that much!!!
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I think that Black Dragon and Archangel are the best.
Emerald Dragon is a failure – have you ever tried throwing 10 Emerald Dragons against 10 Archangels? If the Emerald Dragons attack first, they will take down a maximum of two winged creatures, and then the counterattack will begin, and goodbye to at least 4 Emerald Dragons. Plus, Resurrection is very useful for the Feathered ones. And there's nothing to say about the Black Dragon!
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Silovik;107353
Yes, but what about your words: The Emerald Dragon and the Black Dragon are the best, and the Lava Dragon is useless! The Phoenix is a summoned creature, and you can only summon one, but you can gather many dragons! And that's despite the fact that the Lava Dragon has the highest HP and defense of all dragons and doesn't cost much!!!
I don't disagree, it's my opinion. But I don't consider runes to be a special ability of the Lava Dragon:D, and I don't consider luck to be an ability of the Emerald Dragon:D! I offered my point of view on the best and most powerful warrior! And I explained the shortcomings of the Lava Dragon.

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I think the Black Dragon and the Archangel are the best, the Emerald Dragon is useless - have you ever tried pitting 10 Emerald Dragons against 10 Archangels? If the Emerald Dragons attack first, they will kill a maximum of two winged creatures, and then the counterattack, and goodbye to at least 4 Emerald Dragons. And the resurrection of the Feathered is very useful, and there's nothing to say about the Black Dragon!
It all depends on the hero's level. If you put heroes with the first level, the Emerald Dragons will crush the Archangels, Archdevils, and Twilight Dragons. On par with the Titan, the Lava Dragon, and the Black Dragon. I've tried this many times, by the way, also 10 against 10.
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Are you talking about the first one? Well, I'm certainly not a master; I wasn't even close to being on the same level as the masters, but wouldn't a normal player wait for 10 dragons to appear and not develop their hero at all? That's just stupid! Well, you can do that just to test it out, but I think a normal player would develop their hero along with the growth of their troops... I tried it when I was level 20 and my opponent was level 20, and the Emerald Archangels just wiped them out. I can't say anything about the first one; I haven't tried it there.
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3DogMZA;107510
I agree, those are your opinions. But I don't consider runes to be a special skill for Emerald Dragons, and I don't consider luck to be a skill for Imps! I offered my point of view on the best and most powerful warrior, and I explained the drawbacks of Emerald Dragons.

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It all depends on the hero's level. If you put heroes with the first level against Emerald Dragons, they will easily defeat Archangels, Archdevils, and Twilight Dragons. They are on par with the Titan and the Lava Dragon and the Black Dragon. I've tried this many times, by the way, also 10 vs. 10.
How interesting, Imps defeat Archangels, even though the latter has more HP, defense, and almost always more attack; Imps have more speed and initiative, and they have acid breath, but with inconsistent attack, this doesn't always help. The Archangel will defeat the Imp, both 1 on 1 and 10 on 10.
Regarding the Lava Dragon, I think you just really like your Imps, because I can't understand how they are on par with the Lava Dragon; yes, the Lava Dragon isn't fast, but that's not particularly necessary, with its defense parameter, large HP pool, and fire shield, the Lava Dragon will deal with your favorite, with or without runes. Of course, a good commander can sometimes pull off a nearly hopeless battle, but let's not turn the discussion into boasting... the parameters of the creatures determine the outcome of the argument, and there's no need to prove otherwise


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The most powerful warrior(s) are the black dragon and the phoenix, respectively:smile08:
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Are you talking about the first one? Well, I'm certainly not a master; I wasn't even close to being on the same level as the masters, but wouldn't a normal player wait for 10 dragons to appear and not develop their hero at all? That's just stupid!
Well, you can do that just to test it, but I think a normal player would develop along with the growth of their troops...
I tried it when I was level 20 and my opponent was level 20, and Emerald Archangels just wiped them out.
I haven't tried it on the first one, so I can't say anything about it. How is it and what's it like there.
Can't you understand that I didn't wait for 10 dragons to appear; I created a map myself and placed them there. And by the way, 10 ID wiped out the Archangels! It's true that LD can defeat ID, and I'm not arguing about that, but only because of the fire shield, and if you know how to fight, you can achieve a different outcome.:smile13:
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Black dragons, definitely. And Titans with Archangels (the latter thanks to the ability to resurrect allies).
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:smile03:Not counting summoned creatures, the strongest creature – the Cave Lord – wins in a one-on-one battle!:smile03:

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