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Who should we invite to the All-Star 2017 event?
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Multiple choice Public votes Closed 2017-12-12
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AlexTheGreat
44.8% 43 votes
BISHOP
12.5% 12 votes
Dave_HUN
24% 23 votes
Dawidu91
7.3% 7 votes
Falcone
13.5% 13 votes
KobRa_RR
33.3% 32 votes
LuckyF
46.9% 45 votes
redwait
36.5% 35 votes
I am R
13.5% 13 votes
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8 years ago
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I've been thinking for a long time about organizing some major HotA tournament of the year, but I just couldn't decide on the format. Now I have decided...

So – the tournament will be for 8 players. Invitations go to the winners of the 2017 tournaments:

FireToSky - winner of Diamond Masters
HellLight - winner of Beast's King
=Lizard= - winner of Blitz Jebus - 2
Diabler - winner of Urfin Juice and His Wooden Soldiers
De_Luxe - winner of Haunted Mansion

The remaining 3 slots will be determined by voting among participants in the HotA tournaments of 2017. Suggest candidates – who would you like to see?

If any of the already invited participants cannot or refuses to participate, their slot will go to the next player in the viewer vote.

Tournament regulations:

1) Format - Double Elimination with 8 participants.

In the winner's bracket, matches are bo5.

In the loser's bracket, matches are bo3.

The super final is played as bo5 with a score of 1:0 in favor of the winner.

2) Templates:
- Jebus
- Diamond
- Mini-Nostalgia
- 6lm10a(min)
- Spider
- h3dm1
- mt-Diamond

In the winner's bracket, each player eliminates 1 template; games are played on the remaining 5 templates.

In the loser's bracket, each player eliminates 2 templates; games are played on the remaining 3 templates.

In the super final, the winner eliminates 2 templates, and the loser eliminates 1 template.

3) The rules are the same as those used for tournaments this year (I will detail them later).

The tournament starts on January 1, 2018.

If someone agrees to host a joint stream with commentary on individual games, I would be very grateful.

P.S. Medals for past tournaments are currently being made...
In reply to =Lizard=
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8 years ago
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Just because you've seen new features doesn't mean you understand everything, but getting a sudden, unfixable bug in the middle of a tournament game or forgetting about some critically important new feature – these things can turn the game upside down, so don't talk about there being nothing to figure out! :mad:
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8 years ago
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Astrologers have announced the release of HotA 1.5; the population of demanding players has doubled... What is the purpose of a game? What is its essence? A game simulates life situations in a safe environment. Boys play cowboys and Indians, girls play house, lion cubs and wolf pups play hunting games, courtship rituals, etc. Adult games also include this element. In life, there is such a concept as subordination, an asymmetrical distribution of rights and responsibilities. In Heroes, we play not only the game itself but also this game of subordination. So, my life experience shows that criticism is possible (and often desirable) regarding individuals who occupy a higher position within the framework of subordination, but it must be conducted while adhering to the rules of political correctness. For example, like this or like this. Or, at worst, like this. And if you can't do it like that, you can write privately; the range of acceptable rhetoric is wider there. I am experienced and have known you for a long time, so I can overlook many things, but the problem is that young people are watching you, and then they start repeating what you say. For example, recently in Sevana on Novichok, people started throwing insults almost out of nowhere. Although the person simply came to help. This is an alarming trend because there aren't many leaders, so aggressively attacking those who decide to try their hand at this endeavor is clearly not worth it. Therefore, I strongly recommend that HellLight, KobRa_RR, and FireToSky either reconsider their views on the process of exchanging opinions between players and the leader or sign up for tournaments with other leaders who will be more loyal to your style of expression.
In reply to Wicc
8 years ago
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Sorry for interfering, but this tournament wasn't originally planned for the new version. And this tournament features the top players who play what they know and what they're good at, just like any other top players. The guitarist of Metallica wouldn't try out a "Ural" guitar before a concert, and a top athlete wouldn't wear equipment from an unproven brand. The same applies here: what prevents launching a test tournament on version 1.5, and holding this one on a well-tested version?
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8 years ago
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The World Championship in Hearthstone is coming up soon. New cards were released not long ago. None of the participants are thinking about complaining; they are preparing within the available conditions. And why is that? Because no one is asking them. :D Sometimes, cards are released, and the next day there's a tournament. That's how it is in any decent game: a new expansion is released, and you play with it however you want.
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8 years ago
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In Hearthstone, there have been tournaments that were held the day after an update was released. And the rules often stated that we would play with decks that didn't include the new cards.
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8 years ago
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I believe that 2-3 weeks is the maximum time needed to thoroughly test the new version.
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8 years ago
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Iamsamstan
Sorry for interfering, but this tournament wasn't originally planned for the new version, and it features top players who play what they know and what they do well, just like any other top players. The guitarist of Metallica won't try out a "Ural" guitar before a concert, and a top athlete won't wear equipment from an unproven brand. The same applies here. What prevents launching a test tournament on version 1.5, and holding this one on the established version?
I understand the players' concerns about the new version, and I am ready to discuss different ways to address these concerns (as I mentioned earlier). My previous post referred to the format of this discussion.
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8 years ago
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Wicc
Astrologers have announced the release of Hota 1.5, and the population of capricious dads has doubled...

What is the purpose of a game in general? What is its essence? A game is a simulation of life situations in a safe environment. Boys play cowboys and Indians, girls play house, lion cubs and wolf cubs play hunting, courtship rituals, etc.

Games for adults also have this component.

There is such a concept in life as subordination, an asymmetrical distribution of rights and obligations; on ХВ, we play not only Heroes but also this game.

So - my life experience shows that criticism is possible (and often desirable) with respect to individuals who occupy a higher position within the framework of subordination, but it must be conducted while observing the rules of political correctness.

For example, like this. Or like this. Well, at worst, like this. And if you can't do it like that, then you can write privately; there, the range of permissible rhetoric is wider.

I am experienced; I have known you for a long time, so I can ignore many things, but the problem is that young people are watching you, and they will start repeating after you.

For example, recently in Sevana in Novichok, people started throwing insults practically out of nowhere. Although the person just came to help. This is an alarming trend because there aren't many leaders, so aggressively attacking those who decided to try their hand at this endeavor is clearly not worth it.

Therefore, I strongly recommend that HellLight, KobRa_RR, and FireToSky either reconsider their views on the process of exchanging opinions between players and the leader or sign up for tournaments with other leaders who will be more loyal to your style of self-expression.

Perhaps it’s not worth comparing me based on "common interests" and so on. Even though I cannot say that I am delighted with your "methods," that was not the reason for my refusal. The reasons for my refusal are quite banal: I am simply not interested in this tournament format, which does not motivate me to play a large number of games on uninteresting templates that are formally fun, which I can play with any of the declared players if I want.
So, the absence of mandatory ranked games and any rewards, even in the form of simple cups, turns this tournament into another farce, uninteresting to both me and the viewers. Thank you and good luck :smile01:

P.S. I refuse to participate in many tournaments for various reasons. Therefore, there is no need to write such resentful posts and look for the cause only in yourself.
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8 years ago
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A month ago, you claimed the opposite:
FireToSky
Finally, some good content. And I'm quite happy with the list of templates :smile20:
What has changed since then?
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8 years ago
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Wicc
A month ago, you claimed the opposite:

What has changed since then?
Well, if you're so curious. After carefully reading the rules, it turns out that on all these Jebus-Diamond leagues, it's mandatory to play at least one game with each opponent due to the original best-of-5 format.
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8 years ago
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Some people have such problems... well, okay, at least this stance is understandable...
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8 years ago
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If version 1.5 is approved, I would suggest replacing one of the existing map templates (Jeb, Dime, Mini) with a mirrored Jebus in the template pool. Or simply add it. This would allow players to play all games on templates that are more or less acceptable to both players, even in a BO5 format, and would also increase the entertainment value of the tournament. Based on the 4 games played so far on the mirrored Jebus, I dare say that it is the best map in Heroes 3. The intensity and excitement of Jebus combined with the skill of the mirrored map in one package. Moreover, the result depends to a much greater extent on the strategy chosen for the game, rather than on the technical execution, i.e., there is more of a mirrored map element than a Jebus element.

P.S. Reddit is right - 2-3 weeks of testing is optimal.
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8 years ago
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=Lizard=
If version 1.5 is approved, I would suggest replacing one of the map templates (Jeb, Dime, Mini) with a mirrored Jebus in the template pool. Or simply add it. This would allow players to play all games on templates that are more or less acceptable to both players, even in a best-of-5 match, and would increase the spectacle of the tournament. Based on the 4 games played so far on the mirrored Jebus, I dare say that it is the best thing that has ever existed in Heroes 3. The intensity and excitement of Jebus + the skill of the mirrored map in one package. Moreover, the result depends to a much greater extent on the strategy chosen for the game, rather than on the technical execution, i.e., there is more of a mirrored map element than a Jebus element.

p.s. Reddit is right - 2-3 weeks of testing is optimal.
Why not. You could add, for example, 8mm6a (or another XL map) and mt-Jebus to make the pool an odd number.
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8 years ago
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=Lizard=
If version 1.5 is actually approved, I would suggest replacing one of the disb templates (Jebus Cross, Daim, Mini) in the template pool with a mirrored Jebus Cross. Or simply add it. This will both allow even in a Bo5 to play all games on templates that more or less satisfy both players, and increase the spectacle of the tournament. Based on the 4 games played so far on mirrored Jebus Cross, I dare say this is the best thing that has ever happened to Heroes III in principle. The fat and drive of Jebus Cross + the skill of mirror in one bottle. Moreover, the result depends to a much greater extent on the strategy chosen for the game, rather than on technical execution, i.e., there is more mirror there than Jebus Cross.

p.s. Reddi is right - 2-3 weeks of playtesting is optimal.

Kostya must have had too much to drink during the New Year... This MT-Jebus Cross is idiotic, primitive crap with no strategic line at all!.. Honestly, I haven't seen dumber maps where it's absolutely impossible to go anywhere except head-on and fight at the start of week 2.. What there is to like about this - I have no idea... By the way, regarding the guild restructuring I wanted to say - this is some kind of nightmare, I don't want to play with crap like this. The restructuring in SOD was wonderful, why did they have to invent some unbalanced nonsense, I don't understand.
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8 years ago
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If I were in Vika’s place, I would send those “non-drinking” great guys far away, who can only play in comfortable, maximally familiar, and well-rehearsed conditions that they’ve been practicing for decades. And then their strategies are garbage, and so on. Real skill (=one’s own brain) manifests itself precisely in completely new and unfamiliar conditions (like being behind enemy lines without intelligence), and all these famous HLs with months of gameplay and FC with 6-8 heroes are just a waste of time, not a real game, as I’ve said many times. If someone doesn’t think so, they can just go away; they don’t even need to write to me.

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