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Registered: 9/17/2013

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#114 12/20/2017 3:10 PM UTC

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baratorch

I like the idea, but it will never be implemented.

You're the one placing bets on who you play with; fairness is a different matter. Armani doesn't break the site; this relates to gaming ethics. Disputes are resolved in-game; you can simply delay the recalculation of the score upon receiving a complaint or suspicion and resolve the situation in-game.

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baratorch

But I have serious doubts about the success of the event.

Create a poll, estimate based on the number of people, and calculate whether it's worth doing. Based on the poll, you can start thinking about something. Then, create another poll about the price, etc.

In my opinion, the simplest solution is to agree with the HotA team, take HotA, cut out the unnecessary parts, and turn it into a paid subscription for the SOD. This seems to be the cheapest option.

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Registered: 1/17/2010

Posts: 1,073

#115 12/20/2017 3:28 PM UTC

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Wet dreams about a platform for playing for stakes will remain just that, because Heroes is not poker; at the hardware level, it is impossible to determine the winner and award the prize. That is, without the direct involvement of a third party. Everything will still come down to trust or distrust of the opponent. And then there is no point in artificial platforms, because transferring money from one card to another upon losing takes only a few seconds. And the commission is minimal. As for monetizing the lobby, that is, of course, Baratorch's personal business. But why not make a common lobby in the end and make it paid for everyone, not just for SOD players? This would reduce the cost for the end user and increase the likelihood that true SOD players will start playing in HOTU.

Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

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Registered: 9/17/2013

Posts: 868

#116 12/20/2017 3:39 PM UTC

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MerlinTheMagician

This would reduce the cost for the end-user and increase the likelihood that true SOD players will start playing HOTU.

Well, let's say 50 UAH or 100 rubles can be charged for the lobby; if it's the Merlin option, in my opinion, 100 UAH is already a lot, I used to earn 250 UAH a day on mapmaking; this is if the subscription is for everyone.

Give a new user a month of free lobby access; then charge 100 rubles or remove the lobby; and if that's the case, you need to think about how to protect yourself in court if SOD developers suddenly appear, saying that you bought a license and modified it for yourself; it's easier to redraw all the creatures, and try to prove it later.

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Registered: 8/15/2010

Posts: 798

#117 12/20/2017 5:53 PM UTC

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MerlinTheMagician

Regarding the monetization of the lobby. This is, of course, Baratorch's personal decision. But why not make a common lobby and make it paid for everyone, not just for SOD players? This would reduce the cost for the end-user and increase the likelihood that true SOD players will start playing HotA.

Yes, you are right.
But there are reasons why I won't make the HotA content paid,
and reasons why I won't make the SOD lobby free.

For SOD, the plan is as follows:
paid subscription for a month/year
The lobby will, of course, only work when playing through the lobby,
otherwise, why would anyone pay for something that has been available for decades through Hamachi?
And depending on the level of engagement in the first few months, I will either close the project,
or simply maintain/administer it as is,
or I will develop the project, invest time and effort, and implement new features.

How much will the subscription cost? It's very difficult to say at the moment.
in the range of 60 rubles - 600 rubles per month.
I will be able to say more precisely after the results of the test free period,
depending on how many active players there are.
I may conduct polls within the lobby itself.

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Registered: 1/6/2010

Posts: 1,720

#118 12/20/2017 5:59 PM UTC

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baratorch

Yes, you are right.
But there are reasons why I won't make the content for HotA paid,
and reasons why I won't make Online Heroes for SoD free.

For SoD, the plan is as follows:
paid subscription for a month/year
Online Heroes will, of course, only work when playing through the lobby,
otherwise, why would anyone pay for something that has been available for decades through Hamachi?
And depending on the amount of revenue in the first few months, I will either close the project,
or simply maintain/administer it as is,
or I will develop the project, invest time and effort, and implement new features.

How much will the subscription cost? It's very difficult to say right now.
in the range of 60 rubles - 600 rubles per month.
I will be able to say more precisely after the results of the test free period,
depending on how many active players there are.
I may conduct polls within the lobby itself.

Isn't greed one of the sins?

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Registered: 3/23/2013

Posts: 1,827

#119 12/20/2017 6:14 PM UTC

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Sevan_80

Isn't greed one of the sins?

Yes. And in this situation, it seems you'll have to start with yourself. :smile08:

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Registered: 3/4/2015

Posts: 661

#120 12/20/2017 6:17 PM UTC

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Sevan_80

Isn't greed one of the sins?

A person spends time and effort on a project instead of focusing on their personal life and work. How is this work worse than the one we get paid for? Otherwise, it would be easier for him to work on other projects that he can use to support himself.

A reasonable alternative to a paid lobby could be adequate sponsorship from the community to compensate the person for the time spent. Moreover, the person enjoys HotA more – that's where he spends his time for free.

Ютуб канал со стримами, обучениями, новостями, шоу-турнирами с призовыми
Огромная пополняемая сборка игр разных игроков
Твитч канал
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Беседа для поиска соперников в ICQ (460+ человек) - ICQ Heroes 3 Chat (460+ peoples)
https://icq.com/chat/AoLCp9xL2UAnLZKubgc
По вопросам организации и спонсорства шоу турниров с полным освещением писать в ЛС
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Registered: 1/6/2010

Posts: 1,720

#121 12/20/2017 6:54 PM UTC

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Armageddets

A person spends time and effort on a project instead of focusing on their personal life and work. How is this work worse than the one we get paid for? Otherwise, it will be easier for him to work on other projects that he can use to support himself.

An adequate alternative to a paid lobby could be adequate sponsorship from the community to compensate for the time spent. Moreover, the person enjoys working on Hota more – that's where he spends his time for free.

Maybe we can find another person?
Let him try a paid connection in Hota.
We are on the Soda forum, and we are here for the development of Soda.

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Registered: 3/4/2015

Posts: 661

#122 12/20/2017 7:08 PM UTC

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Sevan, I also only play SoD, and I doubt anything will change my opinion. But this forum is about the Heroes series in general (1-7), not just SoD. There was a time when Warlords was popular, for example. I contacted ASM and Mafia, and I got the source code (they provided it for free). Now, if anyone wants to work on SoD in this direction, they can go ahead. The source code is available to everyone. Also, the free version of Heroes VCMI is being developed, and its source code is also open. The main thing is who is willing to sacrifice their personal life and work on Heroes for free. I don't see anyone like that in the SoD community right now. Therefore, I am willing to pay for a paid lobby or a programmer who will develop SoD (as much as possible). The most important thing for me is the result and reasonable prices. If you are interested, join the SoD development or look for programmers who are willing to do it. I periodically conduct searches. I am also willing to periodically dedicate time to rewriting Heroes 3 from scratch, for example, in Delphi; I even have some preliminary work done. But I don't see the point in just criticizing others. I am for action, not just talk.

Ютуб канал со стримами, обучениями, новостями, шоу-турнирами с призовыми
Огромная пополняемая сборка игр разных игроков
Твитч канал
Гудгейм канал
Группа Вконтакте

Беседа для поиска соперников в ICQ (460+ человек) - ICQ Heroes 3 Chat (460+ peoples)
https://icq.com/chat/AoLCp9xL2UAnLZKubgc
По вопросам организации и спонсорства шоу турниров с полным освещением писать в ЛС
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Registered: 2/11/2009

Posts: 1,768

#123 12/20/2017 9:09 PM UTC

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Sevan_80

Maybe we can find someone else?
Let him try a paid connection in the lobby.
We're on the Soda forum, and we're here for the development of Soda.

No one is forcing you to buy a subscription to the lobby. The option to play through matchmaking will still remain. So, tone down your language with such strong statements about greed. And remind us what you've done to contribute to the development of Soda.

Registered: 10/22/2007

Posts: 2,259

#124 12/20/2017 10:16 PM UTC

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Thanks, Baratorch! Please do it! We'll chip in!

Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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Posts: 3,259

#125 12/20/2017 10:17 PM UTC

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600 rubles per month – I'm not sure many people can afford that. P.S. The forum clearly needs a button to ban users by nickname (or to stop tracking/automatically hide a user's messages; I put up with it for a long time).

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Registered: 8/1/2011

Posts: 294

#126 12/21/2017 4:21 AM UTC

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baratorch

...

For SoD, the current plan is:
a paid subscription for a month/year.

How much will the subscription cost? It's very difficult to say right now.
in the range of 60 - 600 rubles per month
.....

Is the option being considered that, for example, an annual subscription would cost less if paid upfront, compared to the option of monthly payments?
I think many would save money with a discount - and your benefit would be receiving the entire amount at once, regardless of whether the person plays for the whole year or not.