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Sorry to interrupt the battle of the giants, but since there are so many people unhappy with Vik, why don't the admins organize their own tournaments? Is it really that time-consuming? There are clearly not enough tournaments happening right now, and almost all of them are very specific.
I've been wondering about this too.
And it's even more relevant considering that next year I will be less active, and possibly not active at all.
Sorry for interrupting the battle of the giants, but since there are so many people unhappy with Vic, why don't the "daddies" organize their own tournaments? Does it really take a lot of time? There are clearly not enough tournaments happening right now, and almost all of them are very specific. I deleted it by mistake.
No argument, Vic is great for dedicating time to the tournaments. But there's a set of rules, and people signed up for them. If he wants to make changes, he can do so for the next tournament, and there won't be any complaints. People will decide for themselves whether they need it or not. And as far as I understand, the tournament is for people... I doubt he asked anyone what they thought about this (new rule)... but it turns out he just wanted something and implemented it in the middle of the tournament.
so it turns out he just did whatever he wanted and ragequit in the middle of the tournament
Lengthy negotiations, discussions, votes, etc. — that's for official HeroesWorld tournaments, where all of that is necessary and appropriate. But for fan-made experimental tournaments (almost all of mine are like that), there's no point in putting off innovations indefinitely; you just need to implement them. Then adjust the trajectory based on the feedback collected.
I'm saying this because the argument "you can't change the rules in the middle of a tournament" doesn't hold weight in this case. You can and you should. Because waiting another whole year to implement rule changes—what's the point? A year from now, the same discussion will happen. Better to have it now.
Example — the issue of fast roads on mirrored maps has interested me for a long time, but no one gave me a clear answer. As soon as I shoved them into the tournament, solid arguments for "why it can't be done" immediately surfaced. If they hadn't surfaced, we would have played with fast roads, developing that argumentation through trial and error.
Regarding hero digging, I haven't seen any sound arguments, so we'll either learn through trial and error until an argument for "why it can't be done" appears, or until we understand "why it must be done."
My message wasn't meant to defend Vik, nor was it meant as a reproach. I'm simply urging respected members of the Heroes community to organize tournaments themselves, rather than waiting for Vik to do it and then complaining. This would be beneficial for everyone, and others would be happy to have a choice of tournaments.
The situation has clearly become confrontational, and it’s necessary to choose a side. After reading the posts and analyzing the situation, I unequivocally believe that Lucky is in the right. And where the truth lies, so does Lizard. I always support Vik to the very end and even defend him in front of others, but here there is a clear overreaction. I am also withdrawing from the tournament.
P.S. My decision was also influenced by the fact that the medal for winning the blitz-jebus tournament has still not been added under my avatar. For some, this may seem funny, but for me, this tournament was more important and significant than the King of the Hill and charity tournaments, which had the strongest participants. Blitz-jebus is my favorite type of Heroes III tournament. There is some dismissive attitude towards the participants, and even towards the winners of the tournaments.
In short, that’s it. Move me to the sidelines or Peter’s review by Styopa, I’m out. It’s better for Lucky and me to play on our own terms.
Wouldn't it be an option to ask the tournament participants? Or is this introduction itself a kind of survey...?
Well, I didn't expect that such an obvious problem would be unclear to some. When it became clear that many were dissatisfied, I suggested that they formulate a limiting rule themselves. In response, I heard either insults or rather rough formulations that could not be included in the rules due to their lack of specificity.
But I am still open to discussion. If anyone comes up with a better formulation, I will include it in the rules.
Let's discuss the issue more constructively; it is important for everyone.
The situation has clearly become confrontational, and a side must be chosen. After reading the posts and analyzing, I unequivocally believe in this situation that the truth is on Lucky’s side. And where the truth is, there is Lizard. I always support Vic to the end and even cover for him in front of others, but this is a clear overreach. I am also withdrawing from the tournament.
p.s. My decision was also influenced by the fact that there is STILL no medal under my avatar for winning the Blitz Jebus. For some, this might be funny, but for me, this tournament was more important and significant than King of the Hill or the charity tournament, where the participant list was the strongest. Blitz Jebus is my favorite format of Heroes III. It feels like a dismissive attitude towards participants, and even towards tournament winners.
In short, that's it. Move it to the Tribune, or to Stepa's review of Peter, I've withdrawn. Better to just play with Lucky on our own rules.
The situation has clearly become confrontational, and it is necessary to choose a side.
Kostya, it seems to me that Lucky hyped himself up in this case and escalated the issue to a different level, like "to hell with it all." Then came the emotional division into "Lucky's friends" and "Vik's allies." It was possible to choose a different path, for example, calmly boycott Vik's new rule within the group, instead of ruining the tournament right before the finale!..
Added 2 minutes ago By the way, you're right about the medal; I'm also missing mine.
Wicc, why are you so stubbornly sticking to your point? Everyone has told you that you are wrong, and no one has supported you. Why be so stubborn? I understand that it gives you some pleasure, but you also need to be able to admit your mistakes, and you should also respect the participants of the tournament and their opinions.
Added 1 minute ago Wicc
Let's discuss the issue more constructively, as it is important for everyone.
There was a lot of specific information, and the arguments were varied, but you dismissed them with pictures, in your usual manner.
It could have been done that way, which is what I suggested – just ignore that awful rule. But how do you get through to Vic that it's not nice to do things like that? Lucky probably didn't see any other way out (maybe he got carried away with his emotions). Personally, I need Lucky and Lizard in the tournament; I'm a flexible person. But without them, it's not interesting for me.
Kostya, in my opinion, Lucky hyped himself up in this case and shifted the issue to a different level, like "to hell with everything." Then, an emotional division began between "Lucky's friends" and "Vik's comrades." He could have chosen a different path, for example, calmly boycotting Vik's new rule within the community, instead of bankrupting the tournament right before the finale!
I didn't hype myself up, and I didn't call on anyone to follow me. But I think it's abnormal to have such a dismissive attitude towards the participants of his tournaments. For example, I personally, and I think a decent part of the players, registered for tournaments that were interesting to them and had rules that suited them. And then, in the process, it turns out that for Vik, this is just a fun tournament, a test site, and he can ruin the time these people spent on already played rounds and change the rules according to his own understanding (this is, by the way, already the 2nd attempt during this tournament). This is not normal, it's completely abnormal, and I think that such behavior should not be supported in any way. And for those who are going to continue playing in Vik's tournaments, maybe they will think about it and start treating the people who play in his tournaments more humanely. And not like guinea pigs who are just here for his statistics.
PS If you want to test something, please create a tournament and immediately specify everything there; then, the players will have a choice to participate in it or not. As, for example, in your Urfin Juice with diplomacy. But it is IMPOSSIBLE to stubbornly change the rules in the middle of a tournament, despite the protests of the participants!
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