Which level 7 creature is the best, and why? — Polls

Ley

7/25/2007 4:20 PM UTC

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Cheburashka;104097

Having assessed all the indicators, not just the monster's stats, but the entire faction:
The strongest are the Titans. Why not Archangels? They cost the same in gold, but: the Tower produces stones in the resource storage, while the Castle produces ore and wood. This means that the Tower requires fewer resources for construction, upgrades, and hiring.

Where did you even come from? Did you even bother to check how much TITANS cost compared to ARCHANGELS? And what indicators did you evaluate?
Regarding construction, did you even calculate how many resources are needed to build giants, let alone titans...? Yes, Archangels are more expensive, but they are definitely worth it.

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

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Чебурашка

7/25/2007 7:14 PM UTC

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Ley;104105

Where did you even come from? Did you even bother to check how much TITANS cost compared to ARCHANGELS? And what stats were you evaluating?
Regarding building, did you even calculate how many resources are needed to build giants, let alone titans...? Yes, Archangels are more expensive, but they are definitely worth it ;)

I admit, I was wrong.

FALLOUT

8/6/2007 7:53 AM UTC

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BLACK DRAGONS HP+MAGIC DEF
AND FAST (THEY WILL CAST SPELLS FIRST)

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Ley

8/6/2007 5:48 PM UTC

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FALLOUT;105624

BLACK DRAGONS HP+MAGIC DEF
AND FAST (THEY WILL CAST SPELLS FIRST)

Faster than whom – the Swamps, the Titans, and the Barbarians with the Necropolis, and everyone else? :D

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

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ewgeniy

8/22/2007 8:25 PM UTC

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Creature ranking for level 7 creatures and dragons by speed:
Dragons:

level 7 creatures

1) Azure 19

1) Phoenix 21

2) Rusty 17

2) Archangel 18

3) Crystal 16

3) Archdevil 17

4) Golden 16

5) Magic 15

5) Black 15

6) Black 15

6) Firebird 15

7) Ghost 14

8) Red 11

8) Angel 12

9) Green 10

9) Titans 11

10) Bone 9

10) Devil 11

11) Red 11

12) Green 10

13) Ancient Wonder 9

14) Bone 9

15) Chaos Hydra 7

16) Giants 7

17) Wonder 6

18) Hydra 5

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В. Уэйтс©

Но поскольку я нищий,
у меня лишь есть мечты.
Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами.
Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.

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FALLOUT

8/23/2007 5:49 AM UTC

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Improved creatures, they are even stronger, they remove almost all defense, they don't cost much, and they have a lot of health.

ViVoRANDUM

8/23/2007 6:30 AM UTC

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On large-scale maps, where a game lasts for about 30-40 months, Ancient Wonders are dominant. Personally, I managed to defeat around 2000 Archangels and 500 Dreadnoughts with minimal intervention from external forces, using Ancient Wonders, with a slight difference in Attack and Defense stats between the heroes.
Overall, I prefer the top four creatures – Black Dragon, Titan, Archangel, and Ancient Wonder – each of them can be the best under certain conditions.
The remaining level 7 creatures, in my opinion, are all inferior to the ones listed above.

А в таверне тихо плачет скрипка,
Нервы успокаивая мне...
И твоя раскосая улыбка
В бархатном купается вине...

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Ley

8/23/2007 5:26 PM UTC

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ViVoRANDUM;108728

Overall, I prefer the top four leaders – Black Dragon, Titan, Archangel, Ancient Horror – each of them can be the best under certain conditions.
The rest of the level 7 creatures, in my opinion, are all inferior to the ones listed above.

I think your preference is justified, but you don't rank Phoenixes at all – in my opinion, they are pretty good guys :) (why? – I don't think it's worth writing about... :))

ViVoRANDUM;108728

Personally, I killed about 2000 Archangels and 500 Ancient Horrors with practically no intervention from outside forces, with a small difference in the Attack and Defense stats of the heroes.

Well, that's not a super victory... Ancient Horrors destroy armies that are not only 4 times larger than their own...

ViVoRANDUM;108728

On huge maps, where you have to play for about 30-40 months, Ancient Horrors rule.

Can you give an example of even one such "long" map?

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

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ViVoRANDUM

8/24/2007 6:41 AM UTC

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Ley;108804

I think your preference is justified, but you don't seem to consider Phoenixes at all – in my opinion, they're pretty good guys :) (why? – I don't think it's worth writing about...:))

They have relatively low health. Of course, there's an ability that allows them to be resurrected, which could be considered as compensation, but the tangible benefit from it can only be felt in some battles.

Ley;108804

Well, it's not a super victory... Monsters destroy armies that are not only 4 times larger than their own...

That's quite possible.

Ley;108804

Can you give an example of such a "long" map?

A German map (I don't remember the exact name, I'm writing approximately) "La dernier Elementalisten" or something like that.

А в таверне тихо плачет скрипка,
Нервы успокаивая мне...
И твоя раскосая улыбка
В бархатном купается вине...

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ewgeniy

8/24/2007 10:18 PM UTC

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ViVoRANDUM;108841

Health is a bit low. Of course, there's an ability that allows resurrection, which could be considered as compensation, but the tangible benefit from it can't be felt in every battle.

I think Ley wanted to draw attention to the quantity (200 HP * 4), as well as the speed (21 - unconditional turn priority...).

ViVoRANDUM;108841

German map (I don't remember the exact name, I'm writing approximately) "La dernier Elementalisten" or something like that.

Regarding the map, I would be very grateful...
mail to: ewgeniy1985@yandex.ru
Thank you in advance.

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В. Уэйтс©

Но поскольку я нищий,
у меня лишь есть мечты.
Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами.
Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.

временно ушел с форума, переодически заглядываю. кому нужен пишите в скайп ewgeniy1985. в аське 384385000 очень редко.

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ViVoRANDUM

8/25/2007 8:28 AM UTC

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ewgeniy;108898

I think Ley wanted to draw attention to the quantity (200 HP * 4), as well as the speed (21 - unconditional turn priority...).

Oh, and this wonderful growth rate is a topic I've been talking about for about 2.5-3 years, when, playing HotS with my brother (and he always chose Conflux), I was criticizing Phoenixes left and right, pointing out their shortcomings, and using the growth rate as an argument, saying that it's such a weak unit that they gave it a growth rate of 4 so that it could at least compete somehow...
But of course, all of this was exaggerated. Phoenix is not the best or the worst, it has its pros and cons, but its growth rate really makes the player's task easier. By the way, in the aforementioned German map, I deliberately destroyed captured cities, turned them into Confluxes, and rebuilt them completely - just because of the Phoenix growth rate feature.
When evaluating a creature on the forum, I don't look at its growth rate, cost, number of required buildings, upgrade cost, etc. Only physical/magical stats, immunities, and abilities.
Initiative... ugh, damn, the Phoenix's speed is high, I don't argue, you always have the right to cast the spell first, and that's a big plus, but still, the birds don't quite reach 1st place, in my opinion.
As for the map, I may not have it anymore, but I will definitely try to find it from my friends if I don't have it.

А в таверне тихо плачет скрипка,
Нервы успокаивая мне...
И твоя раскосая улыбка
В бархатном купается вине...

Solllmir

9/1/2007 8:01 PM UTC

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You might not recognize it, but these are the best Phoenixes.
No matter how you look at it, the bonus from Castle 4 and 21 speed is significant!
You can conduct a test, but I guarantee that the Phoenixes will defeat everyone.

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But in terms of stats, the Archangels are the strongest.

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Ley

9/2/2007 7:00 PM UTC

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ewgeniy;108898

I think Ley wanted to draw attention to the quantity (200 HP * 4), as well as the speed (21 - unconditional turn priority...).

Absolutely, Zhen! An increase is a good thing :), and I won't even mention the turn priority, but in my opinion, their main advantage, besides everything else, is fire immunity - in most game situations, they can compete with many level 7 units... ;)

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

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ewgeniy

9/2/2007 8:26 PM UTC

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Ley;110482

Absolutely, Zhen! An increase in stats is a good thing :), and I won't even mention the turn order priority, but in my opinion, their main advantage, besides everything listed, is fire immunity – in most game situations, they can compete with many level 7 units... ;)

I don't think so – dragons (gold and black) also have immunity.
And yet, Phoenixes are strong due to:
1) Quantity * HP
2) Speed (21)
3) Easy to build
4) Fire immunity
5) Resurrection
Exactly in that order, and no other!
Of course, it's great to have Armageddon, catch a powerful enemy near your castle, and attack, cast Haste, and run away :) 5 times, and the army won't be so scary... But the main thing is not to get caught in Shackles ;)
But in most cases, I don't need Haste, and I just need speed and quantity...

Ps What's your name?:D You keep saying Zhen, Zhen... and I don't know what to say:smile42:

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В. Уэйтс©

Но поскольку я нищий,
у меня лишь есть мечты.
Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами.
Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.

временно ушел с форума, переодически заглядываю. кому нужен пишите в скайп ewgeniy1985. в аське 384385000 очень редко.

Black Mage

9/3/2007 4:34 PM UTC

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Yeah, I used to underestimate Phoenixes when I first started playing Heroes, I looked at their health, muttered 'they're weak', and they ended up defeating my Archons. :)
And I like the ability of the Spectral Dragons.

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