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It’s nice to hear such words directed at me. Now I understand what the issue is: there are generally accepted rules for conducting tournaments that everyone adheres to... but each player also has a "code of honor" that they follow. So, I realized one thing: until I violate my own "code of honor," I won't achieve good results in offline tournaments. Also, participating in these tournaments requires a lot of patience and time. I don't have enough time or patience to, for example, replay a map and improve my score. Playing only once and adhering to my "code of honor" doesn't lead to good results.
What if we created an "Octagon" League in any tournament – a kind of "no-rules" battle? Anyone who wants to, or those who don't have the opportunity to replay a map multiple times to achieve a good score, can freely discard their principles and codes of honor and submit their result, indicating that they are playing in the Octagon. There would be no problem – the opponents in this league would be on equal footing and could compete with each other. The idea seems sound and shouldn't cause any objections.
The question is, would there be enough integrity to submit your score to the league that corresponds to your gaming principles? What do you think?
to Kamikadze: I read your Walkthrough! All that's left to say is: "Wow!!!" Excellent play!
I was only a day behind you, but after the 5th day our tactics differed. My Jelu rushed to the Castle and, having bought out all the archers in the immediate vicinity on the 8th day, went on the attack against the giants. After that, he didn't return to the castle. And every battle was very difficult (plus I was saving mana). I only got dragons on the second week - it became easier, but not by much. I didn't fight unnecessary monsters, trying to reduce the Walkthrough time. In principle, I could have finished in 16 days (I was short 2 moves to reach the enemy castle). I needed to fight in the cliffs with a secondary hero - that's where those extra moves would have come from.
You need to approach this with understanding, but still try to explain how to behave in OFFE. I have tried many times to explain that On and Off modes are very different, and that the codes of honor may be interpreted differently in each.
Probably some people thank you, and some accuse you of imposing your opinion – the question is that everyone has their own point of view, and each person will adhere to it... Sometimes you want to help, but it's useless – I think you know this firsthand :)
Added 7 minutes ago K0Lb@zzeR;104011
That's why I realized that until I step over my "code of honor," I won't get good results in offline tournaments.
I disagree!!! A code of honor gives you a lot, first of all, to yourself. You are an individual, not dependent on anyone, and you, of course, like everyone else, have principles – you shouldn't deceive yourself. And you will get results – just give it time ;)
K0Lb@zzeR;104011
I don't have enough time or patience to, for example, replay the same map and improve my result, but playing it once and adhering to my "code of honor" doesn't give good results.
This plays completely against you! You know this yourself... Replaying it for an hour, even just 3 times, will teach you more than playing for 8 hours...:)
Added 5 minutes ago AmberSoler;104042
What if we create an "Octagon" league in any tournament – a so-called "no-rules fight." All those who want to, or those who don't have the opportunity to replay a map several times to get a good result, can boldly discard their principles and codes of honor and submit their result, indicating that they are playing in the Octagon. There will be no problems – the opponents in this league will be on equal footing and will be able to compete with each other... The idea itself seems sound and shouldn't cause any complaints.
The question is, will there be enough honor to submit your result to the league that corresponds to the principles of the game? What do you think?
No offense, Amber, but I think the idea is "far from sound" – you are personally talking about K0LB@ZZER, yes – the opponent plays with you "on equal terms and under the same conditions," but isn't that what usually happens? – that no one deceives anyone? And you are telling him, K0LB@ZZER, – "go for it..." – I can understand that you want to encourage the person to take action, but you could have expressed it in other words...
"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."
No offense to Amber, but it seems to me that the idea is "far from sound" - here you are personally talking about KOLBAZER, yes - the opponent plays with you on "equal terms and under the same conditions", but isn't that what usually happens? - that no one is deceiving anyone? And you say personally to him, KOLBAZER, - "well, go for it..." - I can understand, of course, that a person needs to be prompted to act, but it could have been expressed in other words...
No, the Octagon idea has been floating around for a long time and I wanted to implement it during the sixth stage of the blitz, it's just that the map wouldn't yield to reworking and therefore I decided against holding no-rules battles...
And at the moment my proposal was simply mentioned in passing, because the conversation turned to this... And I think if everything is organized properly, it could find support... That's all.
and that’s why I refused to host fights without rules...
It seems to me that this is a contradiction, a contradiction – to oneself; do you even know what “without rules” means and if it really means without rules? AmberSoler;104109
And at the moment, my proposal is just mentioned in passing, because the conversation turned to this topic...
I don’t think everyone understands what I mean... AmberSoler;104109
And I think that if everything is organized properly, it could find support... That’s all.
Well, if it’s organized properly... But can you do it? :)
"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."
It seems to me that this is a contradiction, a contradiction – to itself. Do you know anything called "no rules" that is truly without rules?
The original octagon has rules, that's a given... They fight one-on-one, bare-handed, within the ring (unless it's a show, when they might sometimes chase each other around the entire hall...). The same applies here – allow the use of all tricks and gimmicks that we call game bugs.
The original octagon has rules, that's a given... They fight one-on-one, bare-handed, within the ring (unless it's a show, where they might sometimes brawl all over the place...). The same applies here – allowing the use of all tricks and exploits that we call game bugs. Except for "doublecast," since it's not present in 3.2. There you have it, the Octagon. Of course, cheating will remain outside the rules. I'm sure the discussion above wasn't about cheating... Because the goal of "being in the lead" isn't achieved through cheating. It's unlikely that a normal person would find that interesting... However, "forgetting" about the Admiral's Hat or other undocumented tricks is quite possible – although I wouldn't say it's permissible...
I won't organize it myself because I won't participate either.
The idea of "everyone plays as they can" has been around for a while, but everyone is "afraid of something," what is it? Could you at least organize it? I can also cite "lack of time," even an hour before, promising a tournament... I understand that you just continued the topic and didn't promise anything to anyone, but why even bring it up, for the sake of a person with their own view of the game? – you can explain things, I don't need to teach you, many people have eloquence...
"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."
The idea of "everyone does what they can" has been around for a while, but people are still "somehow" afraid of something. What are they afraid of? Could you even organize something like that? I can also cite "time" as a reason, even an hour before, promising a tournament... I understand that you just continued the topic and didn't promise anything to anyone, but why even bring it up, for the sake of someone with their own view of the game? - you can certainly explain what's what... I don't need to teach you, many people are eloquent...
This view of the game confused me for obvious reasons. In response, I outlined a scheme where his view would be accepted without any problems and asked only one question: is the person, having abandoned the code of honor, willing to play with equals (in terms of abilities), or will they still send their save to a place where people play according to the code of honor, gaining an unfair advantage over them, even with the existence of the Octagon League? This is the essence of the question, and I stated it in the same post. If a person dislikes playing by rules created by others (and there are such people among us), let them play without rules - BUT ON EQUAL TERMS.
Comrades, What rating? :eek: This tournament is unofficial, and therefore no rating is awarded! Sincerely.
Punk is right, the plan was to count the rating, even for non-official tournaments, if a quorum is reached. In the case of the blitz tournament, they decided to count it.
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The quorum has been reached. The rules have been followed. The ratings have been calculated. ;)
We have a quorum. The rules have been followed. The ratings have been calculated. ;)
Absolutely correct, Alexey!:smile49: The tournament turned out to be very interesting, spectacular, and diverse in terms of gameplay. How could you not calculate the rating for such a tournament? :confused:
We have a quorum. The rules have been followed. Rankings have been calculated. ;)
Well, comrades… then what will be the difference between an official tournament and an unofficial one?
Besides, we seem to have decided to bring this concept to life. This means that this tournament has the status of an unofficial one, and its ranking should not be counted.
Sincerely.
Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров
Well, comrades… then what will be the difference between an official tournament and an unofficial one?
Besides, we seem to have decided to bring this concept to life. This means that this tournament has the status of an unofficial one, and its rating should not be counted.
Sincerely.
Or maybe it would be easier to promote Ataman to administration and count his rating?
AmberSoler
