Discussion about the FORTRESS race – Dwarves. — Fortress

Registered: 6/13/2007

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#229 7/10/2007 6:40 AM UTC

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DeniusM;101107

Generally, in my opinion, the strength of the races is:
1. Necros
2. Dwarves
3. the rest
Depending on the levels of development, Dark Elves will beat Necros in the mid-game; they'll take a lucky Wizard, skilled Chaos, and Arcane Wave.
In the long game, Humans and Elves will beat Necros; Demons and Academics are also dangerous, and of course, Dwarves.
But Dwarves are easy to tear down in the early stages by any race. The main thing is not to let them reach building Arkat priests, Thanes, and Jarls.

And in a duel, there's simply no equal to Dwarves (even Necros take a back seat)

Yes, it's hard to duel them; the female Dwarf with bears can be taken down by Ora, Deleb, and Ossir; same for the male Dwarf—Deleb hits him, and Ossir will bring Helmar down. There are other heroes too, but it will be very tough with them.

p.s. I wonder what race will be in the next add-on?

Very interesting. :rolleyes:

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Registered: 7/11/2007

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#230 7/11/2007 2:38 PM UTC

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In my opinion, this race is weak at the beginning, very strong in the middle, and average at the end.

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#231 7/11/2007 2:55 PM UTC

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The Dwarf race is very strong! It can easily defeat any Necromancer or Demon! But still, Elves are the best!:smile49:

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#232 7/21/2007 10:05 PM UTC

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and indeed, dwarves are cool... they are strong, and their structures are cheaper, and they have rune magic and various abilities...
but they are weak at the beginning of the game...
and the forest dwellers rule... and always will...

сначала надо разобраться, а потом критику наводить

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#234 7/22/2007 4:14 PM UTC

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hang out with the veterans... they'll treat you like a newbie, especially when it comes to Elves and Dwarves... and the Undead will quickly overwhelm you...
with the Dwarves, the Lizards will quickly burn down everything before you even have time to poison them...

сначала надо разобраться, а потом критику наводить

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#236 7/27/2007 1:21 PM UTC

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You're wrong! It's not that bad...
The units are quite strong. Only the Elven Archers can compare to the riders on bears, and you yourself will admit the strength of the first level, the blade throwers have a simply excellent ability - crippling wound, and they are simply irreplaceable at the beginning of the game (and the lack of ammunition is compensated by the cart). The Lava Dragon is not only the largest and strongest, but also allows you to use the "through Armageddon" tactic. The Jarls may not be very strong on their own, but when you apply the Rune of Battle Fury to them from the very first turn, they can destroy almost the ENTIRE enemy army!!! The Arcat priests are also useful; they have interesting spells. Berserkers, yes, they are a bit of a letdown. I usually don't buy or build them. But they also have a good use: they move early, they don't have time to kill, you apply the Rune of Energy and activate their ability, the result is a decent amount of damage to the enemy, and the opponent will have to finish them off as soon as possible, which means they will waste turns...
In addition to all this, the Dwarves have runic magic and a very good skill wheel.
A strong, worthy race!

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Registered: 7/18/2007

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#237 7/27/2007 2:08 PM UTC

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Player;104316

You're wrong! It's not that bad...
The units are quite strong. Only Elven Archers can compare to the bear riders, and you'll agree that the first-level units are powerful. The blade throwers have a great ability – crippling wound, and they are simply indispensable at the beginning of the game (and the lack of ammunition is compensated by the cart). The Lava Dragon is not only the biggest and strongest, but also allows you to use the "through Armageddon" tactic. The Jarls may not be very strong on their own, but when you apply the Rune of Battle Fury to them from the very first turn, they can destroy almost the ENTIRE enemy army!!! The Arcat priests are also useful; they have interesting spells. Berserkers, yes, they are a bit of a letdown. I usually don't buy or build them. But they also have a good use: they move early, they don't have time to kill, you apply the Rune of Energy and activate their ability, the result is decent damage to the enemy, and the opponent will have to finish them off as soon as possible, which means they will waste turns...
In addition to all this, the Dwarves have runic magic and a very good skill wheel.
A strong, worthy race!

Runic magic is indeed a useful thing, but it doesn't compensate for all its shortcomings. Still, everyone thinks differently, so I stick to my opinion, and I don't see anything good in the Lava Dragons. In the campaign, in the "Broken Negotiations" mission, I defeated an army of 40 of them with a funny army, and I only lost all the Paladins (4 of them)...

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Dear Inquisitor, where were the expressions that are prohibited, and what is the disrespect to other forum users? I expressed my opinion, and I used only appropriate language.

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#238 7/27/2007 3:40 PM UTC

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xSna1peRx;104321

Rune magic is indeed a useful thing, but it doesn't compensate for all its drawbacks. However, everyone thinks differently, so I stick to my opinion, and I don't see anything good in lava dragons. In the campaign, in the "Broken Negotiations" mission, I defeated a funny army of 40 of them, and only lost all the paladins (4 of them)...

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Dear Inquisitor, where were the expressions that are prohibited, and what is the disrespect to other forum users? I expressed my opinion, and I used appropriate language.

Don't compare a person to a stupid AI. ;) Dwarves are ONE OF THE STRONGEST RACES! IMHO. Dragons may not be fast, but they are very strong and deal a lot of damage, and the lack of speed is compensated by the energy rune.

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#239 7/27/2007 7:41 PM UTC

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Night Nazgul;104338

Don't compare a human and a dumb AI. ;) Dwarves are ONE OF THE STRONGEST RACES! IMHO. And dragons, although not fast, are very durable and deal a lot of damage, and the lack of speed is compensated by the energy rune.

Well, the army consisted of 80 crossbowmen, 50 swordsmen, 9 inquisitors, 4 paladins, and 100 militia. If there were 40 archangels, even a dumb AI would crush my army in no time, and the archangels would also take 2 turns to reach my army, and the godzillas would reach them in 2 turns...

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#240 7/28/2007 11:01 AM UTC

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Still, Dwarves are a very strong race with awesome runes!

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#241 7/28/2007 11:12 AM UTC

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The computer doesn't know how to use Rune spells correctly. It's difficult to fight against a human player who knows how to play Gnomes effectively. And, of course, Lesser Demons aren't as dangerous as neutral creatures like Cyclops or Elder Dragons because of their low speed and initiative. But in a final battle, as part of a hero's army with a large number of units on both sides, they will reach you! You can be sure of that! And then it will be bad...

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Registered: 6/23/2007

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#242 7/29/2007 7:56 AM UTC

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Each race has its own advantages and disadvantages. Archers are weak :( in range, but they don't lose in close combat:), although lava dragons are slow, but very durable and deal a lot of damage; with phoenixes, they can be on par. If you put a rune of invulnerability on the bear lords (when they are in large numbers), they become real beasts (for their cost and rank). They didn't disappoint with their appearance:) I like it. Only the city seems to have sunk into the ground, and I don't like that.

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#243 8/13/2007 7:02 PM UTC

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Night Nazgul;101120

Yes, it’s difficult to duel them. You can defeat the Gnome with Bears using the Hive, Deleb and Ossir; Deleb beats the Dwarf, and Ossir will take down Helmar. There are other heroes, but it will be very difficult.

It has already been proven that in a duel, you can only defeat a Gnome with a Gnome!!! So, saying it’s very difficult is an understatement – it’s simply impossible!!!!

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#244 8/13/2007 11:33 PM UTC

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Silovik;106965

It has already been proven that in a duel, you can only defeat a dwarf with a dwarf!!! So, it's very difficult – to put it mildly, it's simply impossible!!!!

But why not... I, as Miss Deleb, quite easily handled duels... So, it is definitely possible...

And in general, the dwarves are very interestingly designed. It seems to me that each race lacks its own unique feature...
The dwarves have runic magic, the barbarians have combat spells... and the rest... well, it doesn't really matter. But the dwarves are very beautiful... I like them the most in the Campaigns so far.

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#245 8/14/2007 12:26 PM UTC

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Silovik;106965

It has already been proven that in a duel, you can only defeat a Dwarf with another Dwarf!!! So, it's very difficult – to put it mildly, it's simply impossible!!!!

I'll defeat your Ibbu in a duel with the Hive. ;)

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