Advantages and disadvantages of Elven heroes. Discussion of their biographies and abilities. — Sylvan

Snowball

19 years ago

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Alex_R;99905

I think that the Elves don't have any prominent main heroes or good secondary ones... they're all kind of "neither fish nor fowl."
There's no hero like Deleb and so on...

You're wrong:)
There's Wingael - he's considered a cheater, just like Deleb:)
It's just that when he levels up, for example, to level 15, his opponent has serious problems with their army, which melts away before it even has a chance to make a move. His ability gives a bonus to initiative (or rather, not exactly to initiative, but it will be easier for you to understand it that way:)) at the beginning of the battle, giving him 1 turn (they restored 2% per level). For example, at level 19, the starting initiative of Hunters and Druids (standard = 10) will be equal to the initiative of Furies (standard = 16). Think for yourself about the starting initiative of Dryads, Dancers, Unique creatures, and Emeralds:). Hit and Run is a real pleasure for him - he puts Hunters and Druids in 7 stacks, and that's it. In general, it's banned on the forums...
Now about the heroes you can play with:
1) Ossir - a fast start (a dozen archers - that's something) and a starting luck skill. His Hunters are beasts.
2) Anwen - if she levels up well and everything is fine with her spells, she will be no worse than Ossir (maybe even better).
3) Ilfina - a unique creature, a tent, and Light magic. Her horses know what they're doing:)
4) Gilraen - a bunch of Dancers at the start won't hurt, and if you accumulate them by the end and upgrade them... they can hit the opponent very hard.
5) Talannar - why not a second hero?) He has Ballistas, Leadership with troop gathering - he has it:). He can take an ability at level 3 for 250 gold per day:)
We have good heroes - there's no need for that here:smile42:

But with you, besides Deleb, there's basically no one to start with - she has the fastest and easiest start in the game, and with the other heroes at the start, she loses to neutrals in the auto-battle... so... In general, the Infernal also have decent heroes

Boris K

19 years ago

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In version 1.5, Wingael is no longer overpowered. They will likely do the same in 2.2.

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Snowball

19 years ago

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Boris K;100056

In version 1.5, Wingael is no longer overpowered. They will probably do the same in 2.2.

He was actually nerfed back in 1.3 :) but even with 0.5% instead of 2%, he's not the worst choice for Sylvan, as he has the Attack skill and a very useful Tactics perk. The bonus from the ability at level 20 is small, but it's still there and gives archers and spellcasters a chance to go before the enemy's archers, spellcasters, and hero.

Boris K

19 years ago

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I haven't played with Winghelm before version 1.5. Now I can't understand – does the bonus only apply at the beginning of the battle, or after each unit's turn? Ideally, it should apply after each turn. Otherwise, it will clearly be inferior to heroes who increase/decrease initiative.

M@ximus

19 years ago

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Ilfina is the best Elven hero (starts with a tent and a horse).
And if you also upgrade Tactics and Soldier skills, and get boots with +1 speed, then "watch out, enemy," because every other hit applies the Blind effect!

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Alex_R

19 years ago

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Snowball;100029

You are wrong:)
There's Wingael – he's considered a cheater, just like Deleb:)
It's just that when he levels up, for example, to level 15, his opponent has serious problems with their army, which melts away before it even gets a turn. His ability gives a bonus to initiative (or rather, not exactly initiative, but it will be easier for you to understand:)) at the beginning of the battle for 1 turn (they returned 2% per level). For example, at level 19, the starting initiative of Hunters and Druids (standard = 10) will be equal to the initiative of Furies (standard = 16). Think for yourself about the starting initiative of Dryads, Dancers, Unique units, and Emeralds:). Hit and Run is a pure pleasure for him – he puts Hunters and Druids in 7 stacks, and that's it. In general, it's banned on the Ubisoft platform.
Now about the heroes you can play with:
1) Ossir – a fast start (ten archers – that's something) and a starting luck skill. His Hunters are beasts.
2) Anwen – if she levels up well and everything is fine with her enchanted items, she will be no worse than Ossir (maybe even better).
3) Ilfina – a unique unit, a tent, and Light magic. Her horses know what they're doing:)
4) Gilraen – a bunch of Dancers at the start won't hurt, and if you accumulate them by the endgame and upgrade them... they can hit the opponent very hard.
5) Talannar – why not a second hero?) He has a Ballista, Leadership with troop gathering – he has it:). He can take an ability for 250 gold per day at level 3:)
We have good heroes – there's no need for that:smile42:

But you don't have anyone to start with except Deleb – she has the fastest and easiest start in the game; with the other heroes, you lose to neutrals in the early game... so... In general, the Infernal faction also has good heroes. :)

Why am I wrong when I said my opinion... and it's the most correct for me... just say that you disagree with me;)
1) I don't know what he was like and what he was considered (Wingael), but it seems like they nerfed him, but they didn't touch Deleb!!!
And he doesn't have any bonuses like you described...
2) All the other Elven heroes (described by you) are not that good... for example, Ossir with 10 Elves is not even that cool (at the start) compared to Dugald with 30 Archers, or Vaishan with 30 Assassins, or (Hafiz, I think, with 80 Goblins and a set of war machines), and a leveled-up Ossir is even worse than the heroes I listed, IMHO!!!
3) Talannar is really good as a secondary hero (you're right about that), but there's no main hero:smile48:

Snowball

19 years ago

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1)Wing is perfectly fine in 2.1 (and he's not very well-liked on Yubi).
2)Deleb, you can play against the computer or a friend, but on Yubi and in Tournaments, 95% of the time they'll tell you to change your hero or they won't play with you, and other Inferno heroes are IMHO not better than Sylvan heroes.
3)Well, I wouldn't say that 10 hunters are so much worse than 30 archers, considering their damage is 4-7*2=8-14 while the archers have 2-4:)(80-140 per attack for elves and 72-144 with Dugal's "Shooting" ability for humans). So personally, I don't understand how Ossir is inferior to Dugal at the start:)
Vaishan with 30 scouts (there are actually 21-30 of them), who cannot poison and have a penalty for shooting...(these 30 saboteurs will only deal 30-60 damage per shot). How is he better?
Hafiz, if I'm not mistaken, is also in the doghouse just like Deleb...Vittorio is also a hooligan.
Generally, people don't like playing against machinists, especially on small maps.
Anyway - let's play on Yubi this weekend? :) I'll show you clearly how Ossir starts and what he's all about:)

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3DogMZA

19 years ago

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Elven heroes have no weaknesses, only advantages!!! Among the heroes from the campaign, you won't find a better one than the Elven hero Faidaen! And in simple scenarios, Ossir the Great Hunter, with his archers, and Ilfina, Child of the Unicorn, with her Super Horses, are the best!:smile17:

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Alex_R

19 years ago

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Snowball;100427

Actually, let's play on Ubi this weekend? :) I'll show you in practice how Ossir starts and what it's like.

A very tempting offer... but...
1) What is Ubi? ... how do you play there?
2) Right now, I have Heroes 5 and the internet on different computers....
P.S. What versions are played on Ubi besides 2.1? .... I have 1.5... Maybe we can do it next weekend....

KRuGeR1991

19 years ago

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Ossir is very powerful, especially at the beginning. If you take the "Archery" skill and find the Unicorn Bow (the first is very easy, and I found the second quite often in Utopia), and for the second hero, I take Ilfina. Unicorns are great on their own, but even better with the attack and defense bonus! And I always thought Anwen was just a guy until I played in Duel mode; then all her, uh, assets are clearly visible.

Arandor

19 years ago

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I also thought it was a guy at first =(
but... thank goodness for large images! =))

M@ximus

19 years ago

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The only downside is that the Elven heroes don't have starting skills that lead to Absolute Luck!

KRuGeR1991

19 years ago

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By the way, her biography contains the following line: "...when Arwen goes to war...", so where is the typo and what is her actual name? Her ability is good, but risky; you're playing against demons, but there aren't any on the map... And that's it. Therefore, I never choose her as my first hero and wouldn't recommend it to anyone.