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Look at the humans in all the parts, except for the griffin and the angel, all are humans (well, okay, there was also the ballista in the 4th part, when the griffin was removed). The origin of the race doesn't matter; the main thing is that it's truly unique (although they've mixed humans with almost everything). As for

It's simply impossible to come up with something that doesn't exist in Warhammer.

There are several such things in the Heroes series. Yes, not much was invented from scratch there; they mostly took what was already available, but Warhammer doesn't have it. To be honest, I'm more familiar with the older parts because I'm not as familiar with the 5th one. But remember the snow elves of Wori (by the way, a unique mythical race, as are the ice giants of Wori), to which Jelu was half-related, take the giants and titans, the monsters, the thunderbirds (not Rukh, but specifically, thunderbirds are unique in Heroes), I don't remember the Gog and Magog. And I could continue the list if I went through all the Heroes and Might and Magic 6-8. I also understood about the name right away. And Forge from the 3rd game, yes. It was supposed to be instead of Conflux originally. In fact, the picture of the city is from the preview. And here's a quote from Lurkmore:

The developers initially wanted to include the Forge faction, a castle of various bio-technological creatures (like naga tanks, goblins with guns, and zombies with chainsaws instead of hands, and other wonders). This was related to the endings of Might & Magic 7. They planned to make the evil ending canonical, in which a part of the ship was used to launch the Celestial Forge, producing pew-pew rayguns and other things to establish world domination. But then they chose the good ending, in which that same part launches the Stargates. When Forge was announced and the concepts were demonstrated, the righteous Heroes fans on the entire planet united in a common impulse and threw mud at the idea on all possible forums and declared it heresy. The developers quickly put together the Conflux, without worrying about balance or anything else. That's the story.

The screenshot shows some kind of San Francisco from 2019. Is this picture fake? :eek:

This was the official release. Don't forget that NWC really loves Star Trek, so in the Might and Magic games, there were originally cyborgs and blasters, and this was an attempt to introduce them into Heroes as well, since it's the same world.

Black Lord, I think you already understand why your option isn't quite suitable.

To be honest, I didn't understand. There are 3 options: 1) It doesn't relate to the Heroes universe at all. 2) You didn't mention abilities, etc. 3) It's too powerful (but this can be balanced, like in Heroes 5, with a small increase for the Dungeon faction).

Option 2. There are not only a lack of details but also no connection between units, or any internal cohesion within the race. I understand that

the Irns were conceived as a mystery, an unknown, and therefore I didn't come up with a definition for them

But the result is a classic NOX. 7 units without any logical connections, either between each other or between upgrades. You want to go? Let's go:
1. Lizard/Deep-sea Lizard. Perhaps the most thought-out of everything you wrote. Only one question: they live in deep underground lakes, so are the Irns subterranean?
2. Bugargo.

These monsters don't obey anyone, but at the same time, for a good piece of meat, they are ready to rip anyone's throat out.

Um. Can't he just eat the enemy? And why wouldn't an enemy give him a piece of meat so he'd leave them alone or even attack his former masters? The upgrade, in your words, is "interesting for its proximity to large dragons." I'm already anticipating something big and interesting. Reading further: "This little creature" facepalm.
3. Spawn of Squarn (who is Squarn?) instead of the ancient male pastime, measures his "damage strip length" (actually, my head cannot process this; I have three different versions of what this could mean). The fanatic's blades are soaked in the poisonous blood of Garnigo, but Garnigo himself is not poisonous—you can hit him without any harm to your health; so what if some poisonous blood splashes out? How does that work?
4. Here is my favorite part.
Irn Warrior, a "hard trial for any merchant or rich man who didn't bring guards." Holy crap. It says "Elite" before them. What kind of race is this, where elite warriors can be a hard trial (not an obstacle, but a trial) only for merchants and rich men without guards? And where have you seen such merchants? Rich men are possible—look at Godric, for example; he's surely wealthy enough to travel alone. In short, facepalm again. Reading further: "strong," "has a poor physique"—explain to me, the son of an athletics master of sports, how is that possible? "Accustomed to going without armor"—well really, why do mutants need armor? To defend themselves against merchants and rich men without guards? He's probably not stupid enough to fight those with guards; better to run away, and armor won't get in the way.
He becomes a prison-dweller—maybe you meant jailer? Or is a prison-dweller someone who just lives in prison but isn't an inmate or a jailer? In general, it's only natural to end up in prison with such a lifestyle, so a prison-dweller is apparently an inmate. Reading on: "retired warrior"—well of course, you can't fight wars in prison. And yes, pardon me, but in Heroes we hire an army; what is someone who has ALREADY retired doing in it? Or will we lose units upon upgrading? "Terrifying with his battle scars, he frightens every opponent"—you see, hysteria can come not only from fear, but also from laughter; I would laugh for a long time too if I were given a face scratched up by a merchant's wife as "battle scars." "Compared to himself previously, he wears sturdy armor"—now that's correct; he didn't run away, he got into prison, so now he can put on armor.
5. Cult Lord. "The cult of worship for Squarn is very influential among the Irns, and its Lord is the closest friend of the ruler"—just how many close friends does Squarn have, huh? Classically, a level 5 has a growth of 3 per week, or 6 with a castle. I want that many friends. "Terrifies everyone, even with his outfit, reducing the enemy's initiative"—nonsense; in Heroes 3, magical elementals showed what they had under their cloaks (exhibitionists, damn them) and some enemies even died from it. "Kept a poisoned blade from his past"—what past? If he was a fanatic, why isn't this the fanatic's upgrade? Or is he also just a highwayman? And the sentence as a whole is a joy: "This warrior kept a poisoned blade from his past, but at the same time has a magic staff, thanks to which he has no penalties in close combat." Let's break down the sentence. Besides the poisoned blade, he has a magic staff; thanks to this staff, he has no penalty in melee. So does he chop with the blade from a distance? Ah! I get it! I watched Bleach; his blade is like Ichimaru Gin's—at bankai it grows to 13 km and can contain poison inside!
Shadow. "After death, the cult lord is reborn as a shadow traveling through the world created by Squarn." Explain to me how they upgrade? Are lords killed on purpose? "But the strongest among them break back into the Otherworld, where they become the strongest of the cult fanatics." The strongest break out to become the strongest. And returning to the upgrade questions: how many lords have already been killed? If only the strongest break out, then HOW DO THEY ALL UPGRADE? I'm not even mentioning that we get a lord from a fanatic—meaning he is logically stronger than a fanatic—and from a lord we get a shadow, the strongest among fanatics. Which means the same lord.
6. "Rotten Dwarves are traitors to the mountain Brotherly Empire" (since when does Bratsk have a mountain empire :eek:), "terrible sneak-//slinks, hiding in the dark corners of houses" (what if the empire finds and punishes them—scary!), "and afterwards they report to the lords." Well yes, indeed sneaks; they hide, and then the lords have to look for them so they can report.
Brother of Darkness
"The time comes and darkness swallows the rotten dwarf whole"—correct, no point sitting in dark corners for too long. "Previously he could neither run nor walk" SUDDENLY! :eek: "In battle he emits dark vapors"—meteorism? Poor guy. "Destroying everything that disagrees with his life theory"—not destroying; everyone just runs away from the stench.
7. "Assassin—a warrior of a mysterious order, terrible and powerful"—no way, first level for a dungeon. "He hides in the darkness, convinced that every murder serves the good, while in reality he is merely a weapon in the hands of darkness"—an assassin with holy naivety :smile40::smile40::smile40:. I'm crying :smile40::smile40::smile40:.
Brother of Mercy. This is already funny :D "And so the assassin realizes that he has brought much pain"—holy cow, did he think he was giving massages with his weapon before this? "and turns into a healer with strong armor and confidence in the power of light on earth." I wept. I can't write normally anymore. Sorry :smile40::smile40::smile40::smile40::smile40::smile40::smile40: "His strike is not strong, but then again, the allies of the brother of mercy can live forever." Well at least we know the allies: Elvis, Tsoi...

Returning to the tech race, I really liked this concept; I think it would be perfect for a fantasy setting. It could be a kind of parallel branch of technological development. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%87%D0%B8_%28%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B0%29,http://riseoflegends.com/worlds/vinci_units.htm

Does a MOUNTED CYCLOPS hold the hero by the legs, like a father carries his son on his shoulders at the zoo?

Here, here's a riding cyclops.

Let me start addressing your criticisms. The Irn are indeed not very clear, but I figured it out by thinking about the past of the Otherworld before the Otherworld and came up with this: demons didn't consider either humans or the Mountain Brotherhood (from the word "brother") empire worthy of themselves. The elves stood before them as the only enemy, but they didn't want to dirty their hands with them. And then Agandolgun, an elf-demon worshiper, took on all the dirty work and created the Irn from 100 elf volunteers. Many wanted to become much stronger, even if they didn't suspect what awaited them because of this... After that, they were settled in the Otherworld so that they could improve and become stronger. But they got out of control. Many of them became real saints (I'm talking about the assassins). They were then in the Dark Forest when the elves had a coup, and the elven subtype, Forest Elves, were forced to flee, and soon, in order to get a home, they took a home from the Irn. The latter had to settle in underground caves (yes, they are underground dwellers), after which their race became stronger due to wild animals. Yes, I messed up with the Bugargo; I didn't mention that they have a trick: this little creature remembers the first one who fed it and then only trusts him. By the way, it tries to make the enemy eat it, and that's its attack. The upgrade is similar to large dragons in that it breathes something; in this case, it's poisonous breath. And it has poison, not acid, in its blood! Yes, the Irn warriors are bandits, but they are a serious challenge for merchants and the wealthy without guards because if they get tired, they will kill quickly; if a wealthy person or merchant is alone, they will first cruelly torment the enemy. Poor physique means that they were born weak and remained weak; they can be easily chopped into pieces (which is compensated for by strength). The Jailer is indeed a jailer. The Irn king simply doesn't care that someone has retired, and he brings them back into service when needed. In prison, he gained wisdom and realized that it is better to wear strong armor but an ordinary sword, not the enchanted one that the Irn warriors wear. Regarding Skvarn, you misunderstood. Skvarn is a demon mentor who taught the first Irn dark magic and was killed during the invasion of the Forest Elves. This is where reality and the game intersect. A Fanatic climbs the career ladder and becomes a Lord, commanding the others. Regarding the staff and knife, I wrote it incorrectly: the staff is for ranged attacks, and the knife is for melee attacks. The damage range is like an in-game field and a single line, and the damage is dealt along this entire line. Yes, indeed, to create a shadow, you need to kill a cult lord (but this is only done in a difficult situation, which gives Skvarn the right to bring the cult lord back to life as a shadow. Regarding the Brotherhood, I explained it at the beginning; regarding the Overlord, I made a typo. Regarding him, I made a typo: the Rotting Dwarf runs and walks, while the Brother of Darkness simply evaporates darkness (not stench, but darkness)! With the assassin, it's indeed a naive idea, but still a strong one. And regarding the massage, the assassin kills quickly, not paying attention to anything, but when he becomes a Brother of Mercy, he remembers everything bad...

Returning to the tech race, I really liked this concept; I think it's perfect for fantasy. It's like a parallel branch of technological development. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%87%D0%B8_%28%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B0%29, http://riseoflegends.com/worlds/vinci_units.htm

Wow - very interesting!
This is exactly what I imagined something similar to!
By the way, I've heard about this game, but I've never played it - maybe it's something interesting?

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Yes, here you go, a riding cyclops.

Yes, yes - that's exactly how it should look!

I liked it, but mostly because of the Winchesters.

By the way, he's trying to make the enemy eat this, and that's his attack.


Poor physique means he was born weak and remains weak; he can be easily chopped into pieces (which is compensated for by his strength).

I made a mistake about him; the Rotting Dwarf runs and walks around, while the Dark Brother simply evaporates darkness (not stench, but darkness)!

This all reminded me of the following:

Hello. I'm Kirill. I would like you to make a game, a 3D action game. The idea is this... The player can play as forest elves, palace guards, and a villain. And if the player plays as elves, then the elves are in the forest, there are wooden houses, soldiers of the palace and villains appear. You can rob caravans... And since the elves are forest elves, make it so that there is a dense forest... And the engine can be set up so that in the distance, trees are a picture, and when you approach, they transform into 3D trees[1]. You can buy things and have other possibilities like in Daggerfall. And the enemies are also 3D, and the corpses are also 3D. You can jump and so on. If you play as the palace guard, you have to obey the commander and defend the palace from the evil one (I haven't come up with a name yet) and spies, elf partisans, and go on raids against one of these (elves, the evil one...). Well, if you play as the evil one... then spies or elf partisans sometimes attack, the player is his own commander and can do whatever he wants, order his troops to attack the palace with him, and go on the attack. There are 4 zones in the game in total. That is, there is a map and there are 4 zones on it: 1 - the zone of people (neutral), 2 - the zone of the emperor (where the palace is), 3 - the zone of elves, 4 - the zone of the evil one... (in the mountains, there is an old fort...).

But in principle, keep writing - develop the idea. Think through the concept and the history of the race, etc. Then everything will be okay. :smile20:

wooden houses are hindering the soldiers

That's what I initially read.

on the past of the Other before the Other

My head is not this power double two.

Well, here we go. First question, which in no way relates to what's already been written: what world is this in?

"The elves stood before the demons as the sole enemy" (imagine that, humans have angels and paladins). They agreed to an experiment because "many wanted to become much stronger," "after which they were settled on the Other so they could improve and grow stronger" and SUDDENLY! "they spiraled out of control." And I had no idea that if you strengthen the main and only enemy and let them "improve and grow stronger," they wouldn't obey me. Ungrateful. "Many of them became total saints," but if the elves weren't saints, why are they enemies of the demons? Maybe they were competitors instead? ;)
"They were sewing then in the TL (Dark Forest)" sewing-sewing, and didn't finish. Why? "suddenly a coup occurred among the elves," passions are heating up, "elven subtype Forest Elves" Form:humanoid; Type:elf; Subtype:Forest elf; Size:90-60-90; Result:"I need your clothes." Sorry, couldn't help myself :). "Forest elves were forced to flee, and soon, to obtain a home, took a home from the Irns"—a great way to get a home always justifies itself, why negotiate with kin (since Irns were elves), it's easier to kick them out.
"They had to settle in underground caves, after which their race became stronger thanks to wild animals." Zoophiles detected.

I figured out that Bugargo is trying to eat the enemy (or maybe I failed to imagine it with a weapon? :smile32: )

"resembles large dragons in that it breathes something," OOO-HO!!! I breathe, I resemble a large dragon!!! "And in its blood there is poison, not acid!" yes, I know it's poison. Only before the explanation, I assumed this thing bites, and since it's a not-so-small lizard, do you know what kind of jagged wounds come from such bites? Then it's hacked and splashes of poisonous blood easily enter the enemy's wound.

"but they are a heavy trial for merchants and rich people without guards because if they get tired they kill quickly, but if a rich man or merchant is alone they will first cruelly torture the enemy" What will they get tired of? From the cruel torture of the enemy (by the way, where is the enemy? or is a penniless merchant without guards considered an enemy nowadays?)? I'll let you in on a secret: sadists don't get tired of torture. "physique meaning they were born weak and stayed that way," then where does the strength come from? Or are you talking about "Use the Force, Luke"?
"Prisoner really means jailer." There are plenty of jailers, where are so many prisoners coming from for these saints? "Gained wisdom in prison"—he cut out the brains of the prisoners and put them in a backpack, gained a lot of wisdom. "Gained wisdom in prison and realized it's better to wear strong armor, but a very ordinary sword, not an enchanted one"—he was an idiot, and an idiot he remained. He doesn't think to wear armor and a magic sword, it's either a magic sword, or armor and a plain sword. With a bag of brains on his back.

"You didn't understand about Squarn,"

who is Скварн?

You're a perceptive lad, I see. "Squarn is a demon mentor who taught the first Irns dark magic, killed during the invasion of the FE." And I thought the Irns threw off the yoke of the demons... Well, a race of saints worshipping a demon... "This is where reality and the game intersect"—I'm waiting for Pushkin to appear in the plot, at the very least. "A fanatic climbing the career ladder becomes a lord and commands the others. I wrote incorrectly about the staff and the knife: staff is long-range attack, knife is short-range. The damage bar is like this: imagine the game field and one bar, and damage is dealt across this entire bar." Um. Where is the intersection with reality? Though, I have one guess. Don't be offended, I might destroy a childhood illusion now, but you're a big boy and should already know the Truth. So know, young blind one, parents lie—Father Frost doesn't exist!

Old version: "After death, the cult lord is reborn as a shadow traveling through the world created by Squarn. But the strongest among them break back into the Other." New: "to create a shadow you must kill the cult lord (but this is only done in a difficult situation"—Crusaders hit him over the head with a sword, what's so difficult about that? "which gives Squarn" (killed during the FE invasion) "the right to return the cult lord to life in the form of a shadow." Before they returned on their own, now Squarn returns them—yes, my friend, a new edition of the rules, I see!

"rotten dwarf both runs and walks" A miracle! A miracle! The cripple is healed! "Brother of Darkness simply evaporates the darkness," let him evaporate it. I, in my poverty of thought, actually thought that evaporating is only for liquid substances, but if there's nothing better to do, let him try to evaporate the darkness. The main thing is not to turn on the light, it would ruin the man's fun.

"With the assassin, it's truly holy naivety," I can't stop laughing at this. "An assassin kills quickly, paying attention to nothing," do they even look at who they are killing? Or is that also something they pay no attention to? "And becoming a brother of mercy, he remembers everything bad..." And before that, he suffered from sclerosis. Poor thing. And the brothers of mercy, out of spite, don't stop new assassins, let them act badly (killing quickly, paying attention to nothing is bad; now they pay attention and don't kill friends, brothers, sisters...), but then they'll also be atoning for their sins.

But seriously. First think for yourself about what you're writing, then write. Some things you explained, some—you confused even further.

So know this, young blind one, your parents are lying – Santa Claus doesn't exist!

They aren't lying, they're just joking :)