Poll regarding changes to the AK regulations. — Tournament History

Дубровин Павел

16 years ago

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Currently, the AK regulations stipulate:

The presence of a Black Mark under a user's avatar prevents them from participating in all tournaments organized by the TC.

Considering that it can sometimes be difficult to determine whether a particular tournament is organized under the auspices of the TC or not, it is proposed to change the above wording to:

The presence of a Black Mark under a user's avatar prevents them from participating in all tournaments organized on the resource.

Players of Heroes of Might and Magic Online are asked to vote on this proposal.

С истиной где-то рядом...

Лето 2010.

Wlk777

16 years ago

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Organizers who accept players who have already won championships into their tournament and don't disqualify those who win it during the tournament are severely undermining the tournament's and their own credibility. IMHO.

Всем удачи ! И Морали !

Lider1

16 years ago

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Wicc

Didn't bother to understand the essence of the proposal, just in case, voted against it. Dubrovin won't suggest anything good.

And absolutely no bias! Pure argumentation :D

Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того

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Wicc

16 years ago

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Lider1

No bias whatsoever! Just pure argumentation :D

What bias are you talking about... rather, it's intuition + experience :).

I finally figured out the essence of the proposed changes. I couldn't grasp their creativity - what exactly will change?

Have there been instances of HvH players participating in tournaments?

Have there been instances of HvH players being invited to tournaments?

No. And it's unlikely to happen. Therefore, this amendment is meaningless; it turned out to be another pointless poll.

LeBron

16 years ago

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A clear regulation of all minor details rarely harms the regulatory documentation, but if you vote on every comma/period/exclamation mark, there will be more topics about changes to the AK regulations than there are heroes.
Such things can be easily written in a unilateral manner and communicated to the public as a fact.

"Это нам идеально подходит!" [Новосибирск, 2013]
"Красавчик! Если только не читер.." [Киев, 2014]
"Это Вам не шутки - нажрался Dust в маршрутке" [Новокузнецк, 2015]
Сам ты фиш (с) :D

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Oelm

16 years ago

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Will Vitalik be excluded? :D

Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.

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Hermit

16 years ago

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Against...

Wlk777

Organizers accepting players who have received a "Champion of Champions" title into their tournament and not removing those who receive it during the tournament severely undermines the tournament's and their own credibility. IMHO=[/QUOTE] Yes, but ultimately, it should be up to the organizer to decide whether or not to accept them. In my opinion, having a "Champion of Champions" title should simply indicate that there was cheating, and whether or not to play against them should be a personal decision for everyone... After all, it could be that someone is given a "Champion of Champions" title, but someone disagrees with the Arbitration Committee's decision and wants to play against them for rating. I think that the decision to play or not, to include them in the tournament or not, should ultimately be up to each individual, regardless of the "Champion of Champions" title.

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What's the point of the "Champion of Champions" title then? Because even without it, you can simply not include them in tournaments, not protect rating games, and consider tournaments where they participate to be invalid. I'm against it... In my opinion, it's purely informational. You could, of course, prohibit "Champion of Champions" title holders from playing against each other so they don't inflate their rating.

Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!

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Lider1

16 years ago

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Wicc

Were there any precedents for CMP (ЧМЧ) players barging into tournaments at HeroesWorld ?

Were there any precedents for CMP (ЧМЧ) players being accepted into tournaments at HeroesWorld ?

Now this is to the point

LeBron

Such things can be perfectly well prescribed unilaterally and communicated to the public as a fact

I agree with this too! Why register every single "fart"? Why turn everything into boring bureaucratic red tape?

Soon we'll be voting on whether the grass is green, the sun is shining, and the birds are singing. (maybe working as a lawyer leaves its mark ;))

But formally there's nothing wrong with it, so of course I vote "yes"

Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того

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Wicc

16 years ago

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Lider1

But formally, there's nothing wrong, so I'm definitely voting "yes."

Formally, maybe not, but in reality, it is. Firstly, it creates a legal precedent that the AK has the right to dictate something to independent organizers. Even if it's a minor issue, the fact itself is important. Ordinary citizens are usually unaware of such nuances, but in the world of big politics, such details can derail negotiations on serious issues. Because experienced politicians know that "constant dripping wears away the stone," and you need to fiercely defend every inch of your territory (geographical, diplomatic, legal, etc.), otherwise, you will be consumed over time. Secondly, Dubrovin is blatantly boosting his own reputation. So that later he can proudly say, "90% of my proposals were approved by the forum, and who are you?" People won't remember that 80% of these proposals were trivial, like this one, and real initiatives were approved in only half of the cases. Such manipulation of statistics is also actively used in big politics. Ordinary people believe in the magic of numbers. And thirdly, this is why I wrote my first post, which was maliciously deleted by Loy. By the way, there was no off-topic content. Everything was very relevant. It was just a humorous way of presenting it; I was already tired of the pointless arguments in the evening. For those who didn't get to read it, I'll remind you that I suggested adding a few new options to the vote, reflecting indifference or negativity towards the very fact of this vote. The idea is that flooding the forum with votes is not a good thing in itself. Therefore, people who voted "yes" indirectly supported Dubrovin's initiative and gave him more enthusiasm to come up with new and new votes. But if, say, they had collectively ignored it, he would have thought about whether it was worth coming up with such nonsense again.

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Wlk777

16 years ago

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Hermit

Against...
Yes, but still, it should ultimately be up to the organizer alone to decide whether to accept or not. The presence of a WMP, IMHO, should simply indicate that there was cheating, but everyone should decide for themselves whether to play or not... After all, it could also happen that someone is given a WMP, and someone else disagrees with the AC's decision and wants to play them for rating. I think that deciding whether to play or not, whether to include in a tournament or not, should still be up to each individual, regardless of the WMP.

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What's the point of the WMP at all then? After all, even without it, you could simply not include them in tournaments, not count rating games, and consider tournaments invalid if their holder participates. I am against it... In my opinion, it is merely informational. You could, of course, forbid holders of a WMP from playing each other, so they don't accumulate rating that way.

Option 1 - a certain player with a WMP signs up for a tournament, I (suppose, or another player) also want to participate in this tournament, what should I do?
Option 2 - Player A is playing a playoff match in a tournament against Player B; Player B egregiously cheats during the game (obvious maphack and proven save-file snooping) and wins; Player A appeals to the tournament organizer, but the organizer is stubborn — even if a WMP is issued, Player A is eliminated from the tournament.
Both situations are quite real and have already occurred on HeroesWorld. The poll is necessary and essential.

Всем удачи ! И Морали !

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Wicc

16 years ago

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Wlk777

Both situations are quite realistic and have already happened on HeroesWorld

Did I miss something in this life...

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Wlk777

16 years ago

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Hermit

You could, of course, prohibit players who use cheats from playing against each other, so they don't inflate their rating.

Sure, and prohibit Loser from marrying Jed, or they'll breed a bunch of cheaters :D :D :D

Всем удачи ! И Морали !

Javdet

16 years ago

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They won't reproduce – there's a suspicion that Jed is a being of the opposite sex.

Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.

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Hermit

16 years ago

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Wlk777

Option 1: Some player with a Cheat Mod (CM) registers for a tournament. I (or another player) also want to participate in this tournament. What should I do?

Refuse to participate. If many refuse to participate in the tournament, the organizer will not take a player with a CM into the tournament. Otherwise, it will happen if almost 100% of the players don't think like the organizer, that the CM was not deserved.

Wlk777

Option 2: Player A plays in the playoffs of a tournament against Player B. Player B blatantly cheats during the game (obvious maphack and proven save file tampering) and wins. Player A appeals to the tournament organizer, but he is unyielding – even if Player B is given a CM, Player A will be eliminated from the tournament.
Both situations are quite real and have already happened on HW. The poll is necessary and important.

I didn't quite understand this. If a player with a CM participating in the tournament cheats, then he will probably be given another CM, and his opponent's victory will be protected, and he will most likely be disqualified from the tournament.

Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!

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Wlk777

16 years ago

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Hermit

I don't quite understand. If a player who has already received a warning and is participating in a tournament cheats, they will probably receive another warning, and the technical victory will be awarded to their opponent, and they will most likely be disqualified from the tournament.

The player didn't have a warning before this. But in the playoff game, they clearly earned it, winning with numerous signs of maphacking and clear evidence of save file tampering. However, the organizer is showing inflexibility and firmness where it's not really necessary. Wouldn't it be frustrating for the opponent to be eliminated from the tournament?

Всем удачи ! И Морали !