Do you think there are any creatures that become weaker when upgraded? — General

filowandel

3/27/2010 11:43 AM UTC

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Do you think there are creatures that become weaker when upgraded? If so, why?

Властелин хаоса презрительно отвернулся от груды пепла, в которую он только что превратил Феникса. И... почувствовал что сам умирает в потоке огня.

Qwerty

3/28/2010 7:56 AM UTC

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My son thinks that the upgrade for air units is debatable because it adds a penalty in melee combat.

Орден Феникса – харизматический :) лидер

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Dirty_Player

3/28/2010 9:06 AM UTC

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Air elementals are creatures that upgrade if the hero has the Archery skill and do not upgrade if they have the Attack skill.
For the same reasons, Gremlins can be better than Master Gremlins.

Also, a Green/Red dragon can turn out to be stronger than a Gold/Black dragon if there is the Resurrection magic... :rolleyes: but this is, of course, a rare occurrence.

In some situations, it is not beneficial to upgrade skeletons, as they will be restored to 2/3 of the number they would have been if they were simple skeletons.

filowandel

3/28/2010 11:08 AM UTC

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by the way, regarding water elementals, they become very slow after upgrading, but they gain a ranged attack skill... and I often can't decide whether to upgrade them or not... sometimes they help, sometimes they don't... is it better to upgrade them or not?

Властелин хаоса презрительно отвернулся от груды пепла, в которую он только что превратил Феникса. И... почувствовал что сам умирает в потоке огня.

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Dirty_Player

3/28/2010 2:11 PM UTC

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Fish are the only unit in the Conflux that requires an upgrade if you intend to use them as a combat unit. If you're just using them as cannon fodder, then the basic version will suffice. You can, of course, use the basic version as a strike force, but they enter the battle too late due to their low speed.

filowandel

3/28/2010 2:36 PM UTC

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If like meat------how am I supposed to understand that

Властелин хаоса презрительно отвернулся от груды пепла, в которую он только что превратил Феникса. И... почувствовал что сам умирает в потоке огня.

magamet

3/28/2010 2:41 PM UTC

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GOG might be roasting their own...

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Ivanhoj

3/28/2010 3:56 PM UTC

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filowandel

If it's like meat------how should I understand that?

"cannon fodder" - expendable material used to divert the enemy's forces.

Военное дело просто и вполне доступно здравому уму человека. Но воевать сложно.

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filowandel

3/28/2010 4:04 PM UTC

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magamet

Gogi might be attacking his own units...

I only upgrade Gogi when a second castle appears after Inferno.

Властелин хаоса презрительно отвернулся от груды пепла, в которую он только что превратил Феникса. И... почувствовал что сам умирает в потоке огня.

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Catch

3/29/2010 3:18 AM UTC

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Dirty_Player

Air elementals are creatures that upgrade if the hero has the Ranged Attack skill, but do not upgrade if they have Melee Attack.
For the same reasons, Gremlins can be better than Master Gremlins.

Also, Green/Red dragons can turn out to be stronger than Gold/Black dragons if there is the Resurrection magic... :rolleyes: but this is, of course, a rare occurrence.

In some situations, it is not beneficial to upgrade skeletons, as they will be restored to 2/3 of the number they would have been if they were basic skeletons.

You can also add Psionic creatures due to their positive magic, as well as Gogs. But overall, this is all too theoretical. In general, Warriors are the ones that improve. :)

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Турецкий огурец

4/25/2010 7:49 PM UTC

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Gog. Magog and his own are fighting. :mad:

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Spectral

6/4/2010 6:31 PM UTC

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Qwerty

My son thinks that upgrading air units is a mixed bag because it adds a penalty in melee combat.

Actually, upgraded air units don't have a melee combat penalty, but ice units do.

Создается карта про эльфов: Воссоединение - готовность 71%

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Катран

6/17/2010 5:11 PM UTC

МАГОГИ:smile48:

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Qwerty

7/23/2010 12:04 PM UTC

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Spectral

Interestingly, the greyscale air units don't have a penalty in melee combat, while the ice units do.

I recommend checking this in a real battle.
By the way, in the Hive faction, air units seem to be much stronger than storm units.

Орден Феникса – харизматический :) лидер

shpilenger

3/29/2011 11:35 AM UTC

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Magoggs are quite effective at curing blindness, and they can remove petrification with ease, while still allowing the hero to cast spells! There are many such situations. So, upgrading their skills is appropriate.