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Do you really think that the confrontation between the USSR and the USA gave you a tablet, iPhone, laptop, and so on?
Should I remind you of the main tenets of the Bolsheviks? The most important thing is communication. Space exploration was second, but somehow everyone realized that it was an investment in the distant future, and they just gave up on it.
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probably... unfortunately, I only watched the final table. There was this interesting guy there, Zdravko Duvnjak. He kept folding AJ, KQ, etc., and then went all-in with 108... This main event left a mixed impression...

The results of the draw will be available soon... By the way, where can I read about or watch videos of the tournament in Prague?
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Guys, I feel sorry for Ukraine. In Russia, 20 years ago, there were also democratic centers, red belts, and so on. People took to the streets and protested, but what happened? Not long ago, they showed economic news about a large financial project being implemented, with a group of like-minded oligarchs involved. In order: a former prominent Komsomol member, a former gangster, a former red director, a former privatization genius, and a former KGB agent. These are the people who led different factions in the 1990s, for whom the people who believed in them fought and died. Now, they coexist peacefully. I was heavily criticized on the Heroes League for predicting that there are no good "orange" and bad "blue" factions, but rather local interests of groups of influence. There are metallurgical enterprises, there are ports, there are coal mines. In Russia, everything has already been divided, and a legal framework has been established for it. In Ukraine, they didn't have time to do this, and that is the misfortune of the brotherly people.
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I don't understand, please explain, EU supporters, what the hell do you need them for?
From my perspective:
-Europe is decaying.
-EU supporters in Ukraine aren't planning to live there; again, not everyone will be accepted there either.
-Joining the EU is the first step towards dividing your land.
And I sincerely hope that most Ukrainians don't really want to go there, because you, Belarusians, and Russians are all the same. I was taught that in school since childhood; I guess I was brainwashed. Weren't you taught the same thing? (I'm 34, by the way.) You'll turn your land into a springboard, "for democracy and freedom."
I might be wrong; that's what I was taught.
Here, Vicc is writing, and I think he's right and his arguments are valid, but this is from the perspective of the powerful. Whether you need to understand this or not, I don't know. Many (like me) might not understand it at first, but they'll read it twice. But I want the arguments and revelations to be unnecessary for brotherly nations. The rulers will die and be replaced, and that doesn't interest us. We need to survive together.

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Oh yeah, I forgot, send Ichthyander back to Japan!
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Net, my dear, you should be the one to write which specific points of the article you disagree with, why you disagree, and what the reality is.

These are your words, and you are responsible for them.

Also, it would be good not to criticize the theses that I myself said were inaccurate (see my conversation with Snoopy). There aren't many of them, far from 95% of the article's content.

Your problem is that you don't support your words with specifics, you don't elaborate on your point of view. You just declare, "I'm D'Artagnan, and you're all..." (edited - censorship!). Someone already passed by, boasting about their knowledge of history, but quickly faltered when asked simple questions.

My argument is supported by reasoning, which I am ready to elaborate on or detail further, depending on the interlocutor's requests, so that the discussion focuses on the essence of the issue and does not turn into a measuring contest. This is also why I include links to articles - sometimes it's too much work to type out kilobytes of text, it's easier to copy and paste what's already written.

1. Thank you, but I don't owe anyone anything. I have even less time; I can only come here at night to read. I don't have the time or desire to respond to the ramblings of numerous "wise men" and "soothsayers." When you write something worthwhile, I acknowledge it, and that's usually the case, but when there's a flawed statement, I'm sorry, you recommend READING OTHER PEOPLE'S WRITINGS, and I recommend NOT READING. If you take this too personally, that's your individual trait, and there's no need to make a big deal out of it.
2. I always stand by my words with specifics. If you want to discuss specific issues, I'm all for it, but I can't guarantee quick answers, and again, I will only respond to articles written personally, not to the products of other people's activities.

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Missiles are not needed to launch them, but to have more sovereignty. In big politics, it's like in the jungle - whoever is stronger is right. No one intends to use force; the mere possibility of using it is enough.

For example, in Syria, several Russian ships with weapons capable of destroying American aircraft carriers arrived, stood in the harbor, conducted some exercises, and sailed away. This is a typical demonstration of force - we have weapons, we are not afraid to deliver them to the area of your interests, and we will not be punished for it. It is clear that no one was going to fight, but this step allowed us to gain an advantage at the negotiating table. That's how big politics is done.

It's true that, in theory, the strong can boast, but the strong don't always win. Moreover, a demonstration of force is a sign of weakness.
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a sign of weakness is when there is nothing to show!
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I strongly disagree with that. I know firsthand (I served in the Russian Strategic Missile Forces for 10 years) that the Americans won't have time to launch their missiles before a sufficient payload is launched to completely destroy them within minutes. They know this, which is why they can't do anything. ... It is important for Russia that its strategic partner is a powerful ally. The Americans won't interfere in Ukraine because they know that Russia won't allow it.

I can't imagine anything else. For example, if you were told for 10 years that you have nothing to offer against the United States. On the contrary, you have a lot of missiles, more than anyone else. But what about the fact that they have been rusting in their bunkers for 50 years, and it is far from certain how many of them can even launch, let alone reach their target? Technologically, the war was lost long ago. The United States brazenly interferes wherever it pleases, and Russia only barks from the sidelines, tail between its legs. I understand that it is painful to hear, but I'm sorry, that's the way it is.

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a sign of weakness is when there is nothing to demonstrate!
I implore you, those who can really do something never reveal their intentions in any way. They act in silence. And those who spew saliva are weak from the very beginning.
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Well, I can't even imagine thinking otherwise. For example, if you were told for 10 years that you have nothing to offer against the United States. On the contrary, you have a huge number of missiles, more than anyone else. But what about the fact that they have been rusting in their bunkers for 50 years, and it is far from certain how many of them can even take off, let alone reach their target? Technologically, the war was lost long ago. The United States brazenly interferes wherever they want, and Russia only barks from the sidelines, tucking its tail. I understand that it's painful to hear, but I'm sorry, that's the reality.
But where did you get this information from? Did you serve, launch missiles, see them rusting, or maybe even sold a couple of missiles for scrap metal? Stop spreading nonsense in a topic about which you have zero knowledge. Your words about 48 hours are just laughable...
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well, if there's still a tail left, then all is not lost) and the fact that Russia might bark a little is also encouraging, because all the tailless ones are silent.
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Wicc
The population benefits from the fact that, all other things being equal, the larger the group, the stronger the effect of the division of labor, and as a result, the higher the standard of living.

Simply put, if you are thrown into the jungle alone, you will not survive. If there are two or three of you, your chances will be better, but not by much. A group of 100 people is quite capable of building a settlement from scratch and providing for themselves. If there are 10,000 people, life will be quite good. And 1 million people will build modern infrastructure there.

I agree, but the economies of scale also have their limits. Too large a population is just as bad as too small a population. It becomes more difficult to manage, and efficiency decreases dramatically.
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In the case of the EU and the United States, this principle does not work because they view their sphere of influence as colonies - territories from which they need to extract as many resources as possible, and invest as little as possible, and protect from external encroachments as little as possible. That is, they improve the metropolis at the expense of resources from the colonies. And then they promote this as achievements of democracy, human rights, and so on - all these benefits are only for the inhabitants of the metropolis, and the colonies pay for the feast.

100 years ago, this scheme was exactly as described in the previous paragraph, now it is more veiled, but the essence is the same.

And the colonial policy of Russia, both under the tsars and under the general secretaries, was the opposite - they lifted the periphery both economically and infrastructurally, protected it from external aggression, and did not particularly humiliate the local elite, but integrated it into the existing power hierarchy. Even in Afghanistan, during the war, they built so many infrastructure facilities that the Afghans still remember how well they lived under the Soviet "occupation." And they compare it with the Americans, who only shoot and support the production of drugs.

Independence is needed when an external force is robbing you or forcing you to work for it. That is, when the losses exceed the profits. The example of the interaction between Russia and Belarus shows that this is clearly not the case.

The cases of the United States and the EU only show that they have learned to manage large masses of people in large territories, and this has been achieved over centuries. We, the Slavs, do not know how to do this, and we do not know when we will learn. We can only speculate. Even Grandfather Lenin speculated that the future lies with transnational corporations, but we are still just speculating, while they are implementing this very effect of scale.

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And where did you get that from? Did you serve, launch, see how they rust, or maybe even handed over a couple of missiles for scrap metal? Stop talking nonsense in a topic about which you have zero knowledge... Your words about 48 hours are just laughable...

Argue, tell me how it will be in reality? Well, if you really know.
At least one plausible scenario.
For example, a missile flew from the coast of Syria under the Russian flag, where it should be according to the ambitions of the Russian people. How will events unfold?
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do they achieve this through us? or on their own?
the rocket flew where it was supposed to, according to the ambitions of the Russian people))))
it would be nice if that happened.
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At 3 AM, right? Svarog will probably explain it to you clearly and with arguments, but if he can't (or doesn't want to), then I will, but not now – I'm finishing a poker game and going to sleep.
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I am interested in how the lives of ordinary people in Ukraine and Russia will improve specifically after the unification (if I understood you correctly, and you meant ordinary people)? At whose expense? Is there a development plan?
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1) Simplification of trade - abolition of duties, abolition of customs restrictions, reduction of paperwork.
2) Lowering prices for gas and other export goods reduces production costs.
3) Simplification of relocation and employment, reduction of bureaucratic procedures in this regard.
4) A single currency reduces losses and delays in conversion, simplifies bill payments, and reduces risks caused by exchange rate fluctuations.
5) The absence of inspections at the border reduces logistics costs and reduces the time for transporting people and goods.
6) For a number of goods, it is not necessary to build separate factories in each state, but to use one factory that serves the entire country. Reduction of costs due to production volume.
7) Reduction of expenses on the state apparatus - duplicate ministries, consulates, etc. become unnecessary.
That is, this is not manna from heaven that falls into your hands by itself, but an optimization of economic processes that increases the efficiency of doing business, thereby increasing well-being.
8) Absence of Maidan protests. I understand that for some this is a plus, but for the economy it is objectively a minus.

Points 1-6 - yes, it is effective, but for ordinary people, salaries will increase by about 5%, and it will be most effective for large businesses and companies of national scale, where people are pawns performing one or two effective operations a day.
Point 7 is not very important, and point 8 can happen at any time.

How to calculate how effective a business is for the country? Simple figures on the structure of the business: in Ukraine, large companies account for 90% of GDP, and small and medium-sized businesses are lagging behind (at the Maidan), while in the West, small and medium-sized businesses account for 65% of GDP. It is SMEs that form the middle class, which we essentially do not have; only about 2-3% can claim this status, and another 30% have been trying to break through for many years. SMEs do not need to travel across borders and produce parts at one factory in the CIS. Hence the question - is the strengthening of transnational corporations a way to improve the well-being of Ukraine? The answer is a definite no. The rich will get richer, and the poor will remain poor.
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Hence the question – is the strengthening of transnational corporations a path to improving the well-being of Ukraine? The answer is a definite no. The already rich will get richer, and the poor will remain poor.
It's hard to disagree.
And what changes can the poor expect with Ukraine's accession to the EU?
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In diplomacy, well-formulated demands are half the battle.

For example, if the Maidan had only one slogan: "Azarov must resign," Yanukovych would have scratched his head in a day or two – "What the hell, let Azarov go," and signed a decree on his resignation. But as long as the Maidan is driven by slogans like "we want to join the EU" or "we will put an end to lawlessness," the attitude towards it will be accordingly.

But the Maidan is one thing, I understand that expecting coherence from a crowd is naive; that's what political parties are for – to shape the desires of the masses into an idea, an ideology, a goal, and a program of action, and to declare it publicly. The ideology of the Ukrainian opposition (and the Russian one as well) mainly consists of trying to make life miserable for the ruling party.

For comparison, the Bolsheviks had a complete set of ideological tools – from populist theses like "land to the peasants, factories to the workers" to serious scientific works by Marx and his followers. This is partly why they were able to seize and maintain power, and to rebuild the country afterwards – having a goal and a compass motivates both the masses and the elite.

Marx's works were written 60 years before that, and there was a revolution then, not a peaceful one as it is now. If they had demanded the resignation of everyone at once, that would have been a coup. And it is unknown how it would have ended. I repeat, we live in a civilized time when no one needs military action, everyone is trying to negotiate peacefully, as in business and in politics. If it doesn't work peacefully, then... The fact that there is no ideology, no goals, and no leader now does not mean that they will not appear, even if the fire of the Maidan dies down. The process has begun, the will of the people is clear.
Someone wrote about the opinion of the East? Well, I live in the East, there are many people from the East around me, and the most interesting thing is that when they were choosing the Party of Regions, then Yanukovych, everyone wondered how this was possible, no one voted for them, but they won. It seems that they voted FOR from the very East.
If Putin has merits and many years of management experience, then our happiness showed itself even at the stage of political struggle, and after coming to power, it confirmed that the organism called Ukraine is sick with the "family syndrome," and the Maidan is the immune system that is fighting it. And those who are not fighting are either indifferent or just a parasite.

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Snupik, for this www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPrkMPzmrs – mega-respect!!!
A brave woman, of course)) And she explained it very clearly, to the point. The picture that formed in my mind intuitively, subconsciously, she put it together and presented it quite briefly and clearly.

The woman is great, she did a good job. I especially liked the thesis about why you should get into a fight when you have a child in your belly. I don't know who she is for, probably for herself, a parasite, that is, making an image for herself.
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