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Wicc
Okay, let's phrase it as "Yanukovych and Azarov will resign early."

We can't delay it – the elections are on March 29th. And the Maidan can't last too long due to the weather. So, it's reasonable to aim for a timeframe of about a month.
The elections (as planned) are in 2015.
An early resignation would work!
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The elections (as planned) in 2015, I think.
An early resignation would be good!
Oops, I had a slight lapse in concentration. I thought the elections would be in the summer of 2014, so I should have checked and didn't pay attention to the year.

So, let's say until April – so they can settle things in Minsk.
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It's not about the timeframe, but about the fact itself. Okay, let's say Minsk. It probably won't last much longer...
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You’ve created a whole problem here for just one hryvnia. Yanukovych and Azarov won’t leave together; if anyone leaves, it will be Yanukovych, although I highly doubt it. And no one will sit for an entire winter for any idea; our winters are harsh. They’ve already sat for a month, and the protests have almost died down; at most, they’ll sit for another month.
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12 years ago
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I spoke with Alex today (by the way, he recently returned successfully from EPT Prague). He invited me to participate in the Champions League tournament as the winner of "only XL," but he said he couldn't because he's taking a break. He's willing to give me his spot if it doesn't violate the rules. Otherwise, I'll happily (or not so happily) crush everyone in the qualifiers.


He finished tenth there, and he's still not happy.
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He even took 10th place there, and he's still not happy.
10th place in the main event?
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So, let's continue:
Wicc
I did write - "all other things being equal." The standard of living depends on too many parameters.
This is not all other things being equal. This is from biology: the probability of survival of a particular species directly depends on the number of individuals. We are talking about survival in principle, and not about the standard of living. But yes, there are indeed many parameters...
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8) The absence of Maidan protests. I understand that for some this is a plus, but for the economy it is objectively a minus.
The absence or presence of Maidan protests is a direct result of governing the state. If you don't want Maidan protests, then don't make fun of the population. And any alliances are unlikely to help here.

You have confused me a bit with the other questions. I am especially puzzled by the concepts of a single currency, the unification of ministries and consulates, as well as the role of borders and customs. I will have to read the manual on the Customs Union... but for now, that's all.

To be continued...

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Vatya
You have made a whole problem out of one hryvnia here.
We didn't create the problem. We are trying to find a possible solution. And the hryvnia is just a reminder...
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Yanukovych and Azarov will not leave together, if someone leaves, it will only be Yanukovych, although I am very doubtful about this.
Hello, what will Azarov do? If the president leaves, his government will leave too. Rather, the opposite: Yanukovych will make Azarov a scapegoat and appoint someone else. By the way, this is a possible way out for him: to back down, to negotiate with the opposition. The question is: will the Maidan protesters be satisfied?
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And no one will sit for a whole winter for any idea, the winters are harsh here. They have already sat for a month and almost dispersed, they will sit for a maximum of another month.
Why not? They survived in 2004, didn't they? And this winter is predicted to be warmer. And the mood is hotter there.

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I have been refraining from posting similar links so far, but I can't resist here. You can talk for a long time, but she says it better than anyone about the situation in the country, even though she is a lawyer. The problem is that everything is in Ukrainian, but those who understand will appreciate it...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPrkMPzmrs
It seems that I have lost my hryvnia, but there was still hope: if not now, then when? I still hope that those who came out to Maidan will organize and give a rebuff to this lawlessness. Otherwise, we will sink into chaos for an indefinite period.
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12 years ago
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I've been holding back from posting links like this, but I can't resist. I could go on and on, but she says it better than anyone else about the situation in the country, and she's a lawyer. The problem is that everything is in Ukrainian, but I think those who understand will appreciate it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPrkMPzmrs
Looks like I lost my bet on the hryvnia, but I still had hope: if not now, then when? I still hope that those who took to Maidan will organize and fight back against this lawlessness. Otherwise, we will sink into chaos for an indefinite period.
Here, +100500. This is exactly what I'm trying to explain to you. Maidan is dead, it simply died without a purpose...
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12 years ago
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Snupik, for this www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPrkMPzmrs – huge respect!!!
A brave woman, indeed. And she explained everything very clearly and to the point. She quite briefly and clearly put together and formalized the picture that I had intuitively, on a subconscious level.
12 years ago
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I'm reading this interesting discussion, and even though I'm not very familiar with the topic, I had a thought. Revolution is always a big risk; take 1917 as an example. Even if you consider that the ideas for change are promising and there's a plan, there's still a serious risk of making a mistake and making things even worse because it's simply impossible to predict all possible events. As for what's happening in Ukraine, it doesn't really inspire optimism in me.
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12 years ago
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10th place in the main event?
Probably... unfortunately, I only watched the final table. There was this interesting guy there, Zdravko Duvnjak. He kept folding AJ, KQ, etc., and then went all-in with 108... This main event left me with mixed feelings...
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You've puzzled me with some of the other questions. I'm particularly confused by the concepts of a single currency, the unification of ministries and consulates, and the role of borders and customs. I'll have to study the manual on the Customs Union... but for now, that's all.
Well, I've outlined this in general terms, not specifically in relation to the Customs Union, which I don't know how it will be structured. The main point is that there are advantages, and the disadvantages are not very obvious.
But there was still hope: if not now, then when? I still hope that those who took to Maidan will organize and give a fitting response to this lawlessness. Otherwise, we will sink into chaos for an indefinite period.
In diplomacy, well-formulated demands are half the battle.

For example, if Maidan had been held under one single slogan, "Azaarov must resign," Yanukovych would have scratched his head after a day or two - "To hell with Azaarov" - and signed a decree on his resignation. But as long as Maidan is held under the slogans "we want to join the EU" or "we will put an end to lawlessness," the attitude towards it will be accordingly negative.

But Maidan is one thing; I understand that expecting coherence of desires from a crowd is naive. That's what political parties are for - to shape the desires of the masses into some kind of idea, ideology, goal, and program of action, and to declare it publicly. And the ideology of the Ukrainian opposition (and the Russian one as well) mainly consists of trying to sabotage the ruling party.

For comparison, the Bolsheviks had a complete set of ideological tools - from populist theses like "land to the peasants, factories to the workers" to serious scientific works by Marx and his followers. This is partly why they were able to seize power, maintain it, and rebuild the country afterwards - having a goal and a compass motivates both the masses and the elite.
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12 years ago
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Wicc
For comparison, the Bolsheviks had a complete set of ideologies – from populist theses like "land to the peasants, factories to the workers" to serious scientific works by Marx and his followers. This is partly why they managed to seize power, maintain it, and rebuild the country afterward – having a goal and a guiding principle motivates both the masses and the elite.
The Bolsheviks gained power, but they largely deceived the people because they did not fulfill their promises. They certainly rebuilt the country, but at what cost, and moreover, as far as I know, the Tsarist regime also had its own plan for the country's development.
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The Bolsheviks gained power, but they largely deceived the people because they did not fulfill their promises. They certainly developed the country, but at what cost, especially considering that the Tsarist regime also had its own plan for the country's development.
Actually, no one talked about the price. In reality, the confrontation between the USSR and the USA gave us smartphones, laptops, tablets, the internet, and more. Just compare the development over 5000 years and the 20th century. In just 100 years, there were many more significant discoveries.
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Actually, no one talked about the price. In reality, the confrontation between the USSR and the USA gave us smartphones, laptops, tablets, the internet, and other things today. Just compare the development over 5000 years and over the 20th century. In just 100 years, there were many more significant discoveries.

Do you really think that the confrontation between the USSR and the USA gave you a tablet, iPhone, laptop, and other things?

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