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Hello, dear Heroes 1 fans! I was contacted by a Hungarian Heroes Community (regarding the handbook). During our conversation, I suggested organizing a global Heroes 1 Tournament, including HotA, Horn of the Abyss, and the original game. They supported this idea, but mentioned that they only have about 7 active players for this version of the game (compared to a much larger number for the other versions!). Interestingly, they also organize similar tournaments and, as far as I understand, have been doing so for a very long time (possibly one of the first, if not the very first). Currently, they are reviewing the general rules for JOINT Heroes 1 tournaments that we use: http://handbookhmm1.narod.ru/25.html The main difficulty in our communication is that they have very few Russian speakers, so I have to translate from English to Russian (when reading) and from Russian to English (when sending messages), and they translate from English to Hungarian. Questions: - Is there any interest in participating in such a tournament? - Do we have someone who is fluent in English, especially Hungarian, to facilitate smooth communication? Hungarian is completely foreign to me, but I would really like to communicate with Hungarians, and I am especially interested in how they organize their tournaments, rankings, and other aspects. If such a person exists, please send me a private message. - What criteria should we use to calculate resource points? And is it even necessary? - What type of tournament should we suggest to them if they ask us to create one? - Should we make this tournament a prize tournament with real money? After all, it will be a global tournament, and for Heroes 1, no less! If so, what amount would be reasonable per resource? Sincerely, VDV_forever

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When I saw this website, I was a bit shocked. It implements features that we still can't achieve. Rating calculation, points, and a 3D hero model, like in the Grail games! That's amazing. I won't even mention the system for uploading maps, programs, and running tournaments... And the Hungarian forum reminds me of someone... Let's get acquainted with the Hungarian community: http://heroes.hardwired.hu/ I would appreciate a good translation of this part of the letter regarding a potential partner: ”- we do have some offline contest (H1,H2,H3roe,H3sod,H4,H5). Every month we upload a savegame, that the players must finish as fast as possible, with the highest score, and then they send it back. If you have similar contests (with a downloadable map/savegame) then we can do something, but our H1 section only have 4-7 player, the most of them participating in the H3 and H5 offline contests. (around 15-20 player) I will let you know if my friend (who knows russian) finished the translations.” A similar topic on HotA: http://www.heroesportal.net/tavern/?id=279847&pagenum=1&0.700392379371747 P.S. They are translating our rules and regulations, which I sent to them. Please don't pressure them about running tournaments for other versions; let's first test the waters with Heroes 1, see how it goes, and then, if everything is successful... :smile03: Sincerely, VDV_forever

”– we do have some offline contests (Heroes 1, Heroes 2, Heroes 3: Restoration of Erathia, Heroes 3: Shadow of Death, Heroes 4, and Heroes 5). Every month, we upload a savegame, and the players must finish it as fast as possible, with the highest score, and then they send it back. If you have similar contests (with a downloadable map/savegame), then we can do something, but our Heroes 1 section only has 4-7 players; most of them participate in the Heroes 3 and Heroes 5 offline contests (around 15-20 players). I will let you know when my friend (who knows Russian) finishes the translations.” ---------------------------------------------------------------------- – We hold offline Tournaments for the versions (Heroes 1, Heroes 2, Heroes 3: Restoration of Erathia, Heroes 3: Shadow of Death, Heroes 4, and Heroes 5). Each month, we upload a starting save and try to complete it (them) as quickly as possible (i.e., speedrunning), scoring the maximum number of points (for Heroes 1, this is the same thing). If you hold similar tournaments (with downloadable maps/starting saves), then we might be able to collaborate, but only about 4-7 people play Heroes 1. However, our most active tournaments are in Heroes 3 and Heroes 5 – around 15-20 participants per tournament. I’ll let you know when my friend finishes the translation... :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

When I saw this website, I was a bit shocked; it features things that we still can't do.

I think that World of Xeen is better! Everything there seems dull and outdated. Besides, there's a lot written in Hungarian, which makes it inconvenient to read.

Currently, they are studying the general rules for JOINT tournaments for Heroes 1, which are used by us.

All that's left is to convince the Hungarians to switch to the Russian version of Heroes from Buka.

Thank you, Vitaly (Kamikaze), for the translation!

I think the world version is better! Everything seems dull and outdated. Besides, there's a lot written in Hungarian, which is inconvenient to read.

K also argues, of course, it's better. But some of the things they managed to implement and automate are not available on any Russian-language Heroes website.

All that's left is to convince the Hungarians to switch to the Russian version of Heroes from Buka :)

They are still closer to us (CIS) than to the USA.

Sincerely, VDV_forever

Still, they are closer to us (CIS) than to the USA. :)

Yes, but they know English, while it seems they don't know Russian... :D

Good luck.

Preliminary regulations for the tournament.

The world tournament for Heroes of Might and Magic involves players from 4 resources: www.heroesworld.ru, www.heroesportal.net, www.heroesleague.ru, and www.heroes.hardwired.hu/

1. General Provisions

1.1 Any registered user of one of the four resources can participate in the joint tournament: www.heroesworld.ru, www.heroesleague.ru, www.heroesportal.net, and www.heroes.hardwired.hu. An identical final results table will be posted on all sites. However, it is strongly recommended to register on all sites – this way, you can receive bonuses on all four forums.

1.2 The tournament will be held on the following game version:
- Heroes of Might and Magic I (Heroes of Might and Magic I: localization by "BUKA" company, version 1.1);
- Heroes of Might and Magic I (English version 1.1);
- It is allowed to play on any version 1.1 at your discretion.
Here, you need to choose one of the three options; if the last one, you need to be more responsible in choosing the map and generating the starting save.

1.3 Tournament duration: from October 12 to November 12, 2009.

1.4 The winners of the tournament receive rewards corresponding to each of the resources (a reward in the profile and under the avatar, rating, points, fiefs, arrobes, mines) on each of them. At the end of the year, the best players in the rating receive additional awards in the form of cups, certificates of honor, T-shirts, and other prizes.

1.5 ATTENTION! During the tournament, the player MUST make saves at the beginning and end of EACH game day and keep them on their computer! The judge has the right to demand daily saves of any player and explanations for them, up to a description of the tactics of a specific battle. If there are no satisfactory (from the judges' point of view) explanations, the player's result will be canceled. If the necessary saves are missing, the player will be credited with a loss. The statute of limitations (the period during which daily saves must be kept) is 10 days after the tournament results are announced.

1.6 The tournament leaders are:
HeroesPortal - Sub-Zero,
HeroesWorld - VDV_forever,
HeroesLeague - Dust.
heroes.hardwired - ?

1.7 The player must name their final save with their nickname and send it to: turnir_heroes_1@mail.ru. The letter must indicate the difference (or lack thereof) in the player's name (nickname) on different resources, as well as registration on HeroesPortal, HeroesWorld, HeroesLeague, and heroes.hardwired.

2. Restrictions on the playthrough

2.1. It is strictly FORBIDDEN to use cheat codes, prohibited bugs, or hack saves in the final playthrough. However, it is allowed to use the standard cheat code for the initial reconnaissance of the save, i.e., in the draft version, and to use all programs listed in section 23. Programs.
Note - for violating this rule, the cheating player may face a lifetime ban or a special mark in their profile.

It is forbidden:

2.2. To redeem your dismissed or killed (but not escaped/bought out) heroes on the day of their dismissal/death.

2.3. To redeem pumped-up computer heroes (a pumped-up hero is defined as a hero whose experience, primary skills, artifacts, spellbook contents, and its presence differ from the standard starting ones).

2.4. To use a redeemed escaped/bought-out hero in the battle on the day he escaped/bought out. It is allowed to redeem such a hero;
* If a hero escaped/bought out/died in battle during the turn, he can be redeemed and used immediately.

2.5. To dig up the Ultimate Artifact without visiting all the obelisks. To prove this fact, the player must send the organizers, along with their final save, another save that shows that all the obelisks were visited before digging up the UA. The name of such a save must end with "UA".

2.6. To visit skeletons, cemeteries, demon caves, and sunken ships.

2.7. The use of other game bugs is prohibited. The use of mapmakers' errors is allowed.

2.8. To openly discuss the tournament on the Internet during its course.
If you have any questions, please contact the tournament leader.
Note - All known bugs and prohibited techniques are described in detail in section 24. Bugs and prohibited techniques in the game.

3. Sequence of actions for participating in the tournament and preparing the final save.

3.1. Download the save from any resource on which the tournament is held.

3.2. The downloaded save must be placed in the GAMES folder of your installed Heroes 1 on your computer.

3.3. Load the save and start the game at any time that is convenient for you (i.e., players fight strictly on downloaded saves. Restarting the game is prohibited), while remembering to make intermediate saves.

3.4. The final save must be made before performing the last action. The final save should have two heroes left (the remaining heroes must be dismissed): the one performing the last action and the hero whose parameters are counted; if these heroes are the same, only one should remain.

3.5. The letter with the save should contain:
- the winning save itself;
- a description of the actions leading to victory (if it is necessary to win a battle and victory is not achieved in auto-battle - a detailed description of the battle tactics);
- an indication of the hero whose total parameters are taken into account for the second victory criterion;
- an indication of nicknames on all resources.

4. Starting save and task completion condition

The tournament is held for speed, i.e., you need to complete the map in the shortest possible time, defeating all opponents.

Starting save –
Map from which the save was generated -

I ask everyone interested to express their opinion on the regulations for the tournament. There may be some comments, additions, or suggestions?

After the discussion, I really hope for our respected Kamikaze, who kindly agreed to help with the translation into English, and we will send these regulations together with the save to our Hungarian colleagues. :)

Sincerely, VDV_forever

1.6 The tournament hosts are:
HeroesPortal - Sub-Zero,
HeroesWorld - VDV_forever,
HeroesLeague - Dust.
heroes.hardwired - Kiki (szilupa) - as he is the host of the first series of tournaments on HardWired.

Here, you need to choose one of three options. If you choose the last one, you need to approach the selected map and the generation of the starting save more responsibly.

As far as I know, the difference between the English 1.1 and Buku versions is only in the terrain on the battlefield. Therefore, the map will only require selecting specific battles. But how do you do that? Because any player can make any battle difficult if they want. Or should you check all battles when generating the starting save? The lead organizer wouldn't envy this task. However, with a large number of battles, this aspect seems to become less significant. It is necessary to only prohibit switching between versions during the playthrough, but how to control this, I honestly don't know. The only thing is to check the saves before battles, with explanations from the player about how and on which version they did it. If both Buku and non-Buku versions appear, then the result should be annulled.

If both "Buka" and "not-Buka" appear, then it's a cancellation.

We have our own "Buka," and they have theirs:

Sponsorship Agreement - 2009. Consent to Sponsorship - March 9, 2009. Monday, March 9. Sender: Vologya. From: Vologya.
Hello, Brave Warriors! I am pleased to inform all Heroes players that in 2009, we managed to conclude a sponsorship agreement with Sevenm Kft, a company that is the exclusive distributor of Heroes games in Hungary. Welcome, brave warrior! Heroes players are all happy that in 2009, there was an agreement on sponsorship support from Sevenm LLC, a company that is the exclusive distributor of the Heroes game in Hungary.

So, there are still other possibilities:D
Besides, I didn't see any lengthy rules from these guys. I only saw that you can't dig for the Grail before visiting the obelisks....
About the dolls and Grails - I couldn't find anything at all....
It seems to me that everything is simpler for them.
Also, it's annoying that you can't access their forum without authorization, and after authorization, Google Translate is blocked... So, if kiki changes the forum structure a little, we won't have to rush to learn Hungarian:) And they, accordingly, won't have to learn Russian:)

First of all, it’s really necessary to figure out which version to use. Playing on different versions isn’t the best option. For international tournaments, the original version of Heroes 1.1 is ideal (I’ve heard about an official patch 1.2, but haven’t had a chance to find it yet). The differences between the Russian and Hungarian versions can be significant for gameplay. After all, the localizers even managed to interfere with the gameplay (they didn’t even remove the debug information).

The tournament promises to be interesting.

IMHO: It's better to hold international competitions on the English version. :)

Good luck.

IMHO: It's better to hold international competitions on the English version. :)

Good luck.

Unfortunately, the original English 1.1 version isn't as popular in the CIS region as the later installments of our beloved game. :)

Good luck to you too. :)

1.6 The tournament hosts are:
HeroesPortal - Sub-Zero,
HeroesWorld - VDV_forever,
HeroesLeague - Dust.
heroes.hardwired - Kiki (szilupa) - as he is the host of the first series tournaments on HardWired

Ok! After we coordinate the rules among ourselves, we'll send a letter to 2 addresses.;)

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As far as I know, the difference between the English 1.1 and Buka is only in the terrain on the battlefield. Therefore, the map will only require selecting the right battles. But how to do that? Because if any player wants, they can make any battle difficult. Or check all battles when generating the starting save? Here, the hosts have a tough job, to put it mildly. However, with a large number of battles, this component, it seems to me, becomes negligible. It's only necessary to impose a ban on switching from one version to another during the walkthrough, but how to control that, honestly, I don't know. The only thing is to check saves before battles with explanations from the player on how and on which version they did it. If both Buka and non-Buka show up, then it's a disqualification.

I'm not happy about that prospect either, I just wanted to discuss this option just in case.;)
But now I understand myself that playing on 2 versions is TABOO! No matter what!:(

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We have our own Buka, they have theirs:

So there may be even more possibilities:D
Besides, I haven't seen any mile-long rules from those guys. I only saw that you can't dig up the grail before visiting the obelisks....
As for dolls and grails - I didn't find anything at all....
It seems to me that theirs is simpler.
It also annoys me that you can't get into their forum without authorization, and after authorization, Google Translate is blocked... So if kiki changes the forum structure a little, you won't have to rush to learn Hungarian:) And they, accordingly, Russian:)

Now that's just insane...:eek: But maybe all the bugs are fixed in their version (Hungarian)? And maybe new ones have been added. I wouldn't be surprised if there are also differences in gameplay… I think we can't take risks here. Either English or Russian. Preferably Russian, of course. :smile13:
I saw the hero doll with my own eyes, + on top of that, each one has their own (decked out with artifacts), i.e. roughly the same thing I proposed 3 years ago.:) Only here nobody needs it:(
100% agree about the forum! Frames are so last century...
Well, as for reworking the forum, you're exaggerating of course:D

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First of all, we really need to sort out the version. Playing on different versions is not the best option. For international tournaments, the original version of heroes 1.1 is ideal (I've heard about the official 1.2 patch, but haven't managed to find it yet). The differences between the Russian and Hungarian versions could be drastic for gameplay. After all, the localizers managed to interfere with the gameplay (they didn't even remove the debug information).

The tournament promises to be interesting.

Hit the nail on the head, nothing to add. :smile01:

to all: - by what criteria will we calculate resource points? And do we need to do that?

Best regards, VDV_forever

Why not upload one version of the game (preferably the English version) somewhere, so everyone can download and play it? I think this would solve all the problems at once.

Why not upload one version of the game (preferably the English version) somewhere, so everyone can download and play it. I think this would solve all the problems at once.

You're suggesting something that could get us into trouble. ;)
Heroes I, if I'm not mistaken, is not yet a free version.

Good luck.