Posts from Orcs versus High Elves.

Exactly! And considering that the chance of encountering a Dark creature for the Elves is 2%, we can confidently remove them from the list of factions to play against the Orcs.

That's just too much!

High Elves have the best chances against Orcs!
Elves are the most effective at reducing Rage:
Nymphs – affect three enemies at once.
Dancers – affect several enemies at once (usually three).
Prismatic Dragons – affect three enemies at once (luck is usually high).
Archers – reduce Rage with the first shot, deal heavy damage with the second, and also lower the initiative of the target.
Druids create a channel (this is, in my opinion, cheating).
Unicorns have a good chance of blinding (and that's dark magic!).
Ancient Ents create Forest Rage, increasing their initiative to 12, while the average initiative of the forest brethren becomes ridiculously high, and the Orcs get thrashed very quickly because they don't have time to build up Rage – their initiative is low compared to the Elves.

The best race to counter Orcs is either Necromancer or Academy (haha, that's why Faiz is needed! His ability removes Rage! Although, you still need Hafiz and his army to start properly), or Dungeon. Gnomes, Humans, and Elves perform significantly worse. :smile38: Don't choose Demons! :smile29: Orcs should only be feared during the first three weeks, as they are worthless against a good mage. At the same time, Forest Elves are extremely weak during this period! The best option is Academy, because it's difficult to start with Dungeon, and the Orc can always take a Chaos creature (why do we need that risk? :confused:). Spells that Orcs fear: these are all Dark spells (especially area-of-effect spells :smile08: - mass slow, mass destructive ray, BERSERK :D!!!, MIND CONTROL :eek:!!!!!). Another excellent method – I call it "walking through torment" :smile01: – is to place fire traps. This is basically useless against Hegesh, but effective against Telsak :smile22:. Chaos is a separate topic, especially mass Chaos. I will write about this separately later :smile14:. Conclusion: When playing with a strong mage, nothing will remain of the Orc :smile34:

The best race against Orcs is either Necromancers or Academy (ha-ha, that's why Faiz is needed!!!! His ability removes Rage!!! Of course, you still need Hafiz and his army to start properly), or Dungeon. Dwarves, humans, and elves look significantly worse. Don't take Demons!!!

Justify your statement. Especially regarding the low chances of the High Elves. Read my previous post.

And also, why do Demons have such low chances? They have access to dark magic, in particular, the general dispel ability. They also have very high initiative and excellent growth, plus the ability to summon from the gate. How do they lose out to other races???

Demons lose because they rely on summoned creatures to build up their rage; as for Faiza and Necromancers, it's a dark art, as I mentioned above. Why are the elves weak? Read above (I even highlighted it in green, like in kindergarten :p). And your argument about triple, double, and other types of attacks doesn't convince me. What will you do if Hegesh runs up to you in the first 3 weeks with 100 centaurs, with shouts and rage? With her fire cannon? Huh? :confused:

I will simply ban you from taking Haggeesh on a small map. And even if the conversation turns to this, a couple of Ossir - Wingael will tear your Haggeesh apart, even in the early stages. Regarding the green highlighting, you simply edited your previous message; it wasn't there before. Regarding demons, that's a one-sided opinion. Summoned demons will, of course, help build up rage, but at the same time, they will also disrupt that rage and absorb counterattacks. Don't forget about the overall vulnerability to spells.

Okay, fine, let's say we can leave the demons, by the way, I forgot about the third-tier succubi, they're just overpowered! I agree :smile02:

But elves are just :smile18: for orcs. Even if it's not Hegesh, I'll take Tilshek with his mega ballista! And then what??? And if we're going that far, let's ban Wingrael or Ossir too - what makes them not cheaters? In general, I don't like orcs, they have very vulnerable spots...

Hafiz and Deleb, and Hegesh, and any elf will stop them.

Therefore, I'm against Orcs. I choose any Academy hero: Hafiz or Nahriza (except Jalib, of course), I've already written about this.

Elves are a very complex race, not for beginners. It took me about six months to learn how not to lose troops to neutral creatures and to start quickly. Walking neutral creatures (like armored warriors, minotaurs, orcs, golems...) are easily defeated by fairies, as well as by furies (although it takes longer; fairies are quickly defeated, so you have to fight them manually with the hero). By the beginning of the second week, we already have a sufficient number of archers, and even on veteran difficulty, you can upgrade them early. And after that, everything becomes much easier. It's not worth saying that elves have a losing start. Yes, there are some difficulties, but you can learn. Try to avoid such categorical remarks, like elves are always terrible against orcs, because you might be considered a fool.

Maybe I'm just a simpleton, but Elves have the most difficult start in the game, and since I mostly play on small maps, I think they are the weakest faction in the game.

I didn't say you were a stupid person, sorry if I offended you in any way.
I mainly play on large maps, so I think High Elves are the strongest.

No, you haven't offended me in any way :) We just don't understand each other; we have different circumstances, but overall, I still think Elves lose to Orcs.

Guys, you're arguing here about "Ingvar the Tall" and "Avenger," but both of you can be corrected! On small maps, Haghesh will crush any elf and easily defeat the orc. Because at the beginning, there are plenty of centaurs, and their growth is significant. You upgrade a balista with fire, and everything falls. And the chances of elves destroying machines are practically zero, only 2%, and the growth of archers isn't much either! But on large maps, orcs simply have no chance of winning against elves! The developers didn't take into account their unique ability with rage. They should have made it so that rage accumulates and decreases based on the damage dealt, but it's always standard. As a result, rage is useless on large maps because the damage is so high, and all the rage goes to "0," so the orc's unique ability disappears. But the sworn enemy ability works and is very effective, and if you add luck to it, then elves deal almost 5 times more damage!!! A single shot from archers can kill any enemy unit! It's a very nasty ability for the elf!

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You know, that's what forums are for – to discuss and argue about the details. Regarding what you wrote – there's nothing new here; everything has been said before. I would add that Hegesh isn't the best hero in the game, and you need to hold out for a couple of weeks; time is against her:)

Cursed is a good ability only for the endgame, so the build-up will be difficult. And rage helps with mobs. True, it's not very effective in the end, and orcs are extremely vulnerable to magic.

p.s. IMHO, the scariest hero at the beginning is Dugald, not Hegesh! At level 15, he deals 4,000 damage!

I may be a simple person, but elves have the most difficult start in the game, and since I mainly play on small maps, they are, in my opinion, the weakest race in the game.

Even on small maps, elves can put up a strong resistance... for example (or they might completely lose)
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Creatures of levels 1-3 with high initiative.
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If there is not enough wood, you can build druids. (I usually do that)
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Don't forget about the special abilities of the heroes (Gilraen, Ossir, Wingael, Winrael)
They are not that weak... And you say that they have the weakest start... no, with swords and bows, you can break through to the stronghold of the Orcish Overlord:smile19:

There's a really nasty trick against Haghesh for Ilfina. If she manages to catch the mass evasion and Logu with Keen Mind, the guys are completely screwed!