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#32 12/6/2007 5:37 PM UTC

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Ta Kotoraya...;132321

First, find out – and then write your posts, which have nothing to support them except the desire to argue... Good luck...

But you have even more of that desire than I do (for example, what you wrote to KJ1313 in a private message should be handled more carefully!:smile48:)

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Registered: 3/20/2006

Posts: 2,263

#34 12/20/2007 10:20 AM UTC

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Colleagues, the current situation is as follows:
There are clans that have joined the League of Clans and Masters of Strategy (LzMS). There are clans that have not made a final decision, deciding to wait until they see concrete results from the LzMS. The position of the Haven was surprising...
There are clans that absolutely do not want to join the LzMS.

In the current situation, the following can be done:
1. Arrange a match: a team from the LzMS against the rest of the clans. The Order of the Phoenix is ready to provide 2-3 players for the team in HOMM2 online, 2-3 players in HOMM3 online. For offline games, we have players in HOMM 1-4.
2. A more aggressive option: in 2008, the LzMS will hold a series of closed tournaments, in which only representatives of the clans participating in the LzMS can participate. This is a very aggressive option; in this case, clans that have not only trolls but also people who play Heroes will find themselves in a situation of partial isolation. In addition, this option immediately excludes independent participants. In general, there is much to consider.

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Registered: 7/30/2006

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#35 12/20/2007 10:35 AM UTC

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Hello Qwerty :) What exactly surprises you about our stance?

In the current situation, the following can be done: 1. Organize a match: a team from LZMS against the rest of the clans. The Order of the Phoenix is ready to provide 2-3 players for the team in HOMM2 online, and 2-3 players for HOMM3 online. For offline games, we have players for HOMM 1-4.

Is this a fight for independence? Any organization has two ways to gain universal recognition: 1) demonstrate strength 2) demonstrate some benefit or show the USEFUL purpose of the organization. It seems to me that your position is: "Ah, you won't join! Well, we'll show you! Starting in 2008, we'll cut off your access to our tournaments, and you'll have to join... or die... Muahahaha!!" I still don't understand: WHY is this necessary?! We are already too united – we've become too insular. I don't see any inter-portal or clan tournaments, NOTHING. We don't need a league of rules; we need to connect with clans on other portals. We need to gather a team of clans and show ourselves, HeroesWorld, and at the same time, our own clan. Right now, we're just sitting here, bored, and coming up with all sorts of LZMS things. We've invented it, we've talked about it, it's time to forget about it. At the same time, half of the clans are standing around, and with interest, are cracking seeds, occasionally spitting out the husks (which is exactly "our clan's position").

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Registered: 6/29/2006

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#36 12/20/2007 10:49 AM UTC

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I don't see any inter-portal tournaments or clan tournaments, NONE. We don't need a league of rules; we need to connect with clans on other portals.

inkvi, maybe you should check more often... right now, there's a 3v3 online tournament with Heroes.by, as well as a 5v5 HW tournament and a portal tournament (I think)... so... the idea of closed tournaments came to me back at the very beginning of the discussions about LZMS... but I won't say why I rejected it (or rather, why Tanya advised me to reject it).

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Registered: 9/27/2007

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#38 12/20/2007 11:10 AM UTC

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Qwerty;137392

Colleagues, the current situation is as follows:
There are Clans that have joined the LZMС. There are Clans that have not made a final decision, deciding to wait until they see concrete results from the LZMС. The position of the Alliance of Light was surprising...
There are Clans that absolutely do not want to join the LZMС.

In the current situation, the following can be done:
1. Organize a match: a LZMС team against the rest of the Clans. The Order of the Phoenix is ready to field 2-3 players in HOMM2 online, 2-3 players in HOMM3 online, for the team. For offline games, we have players in HOMM 1-4.
2. A more drastic option: in 2008, the LZMС will hold a series of closed Tournaments, in which only representatives of the Clans participating in the LZMС can participate. This is a very drastic option; in this case, Clans that have not only lurkers but also people who play Heroes will find themselves in a situation of partial isolation. In addition, this option immediately excludes independent participants. In general, there is much to think about.

Dear Qwerty, do you want to make joining the LZMС mandatory, and if a Clan does not join the LZMС, then members of the Clan cannot participate in certain events?
In my opinion, there is only one event that seems reasonable to make only for members of the LZMС - this is the championship of this organization.
Regarding the first option: - If the LZMС team wins against a team of other Clans, will these Clans be required to join this organization?

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Registered: 6/28/2007

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#39 12/20/2007 11:14 AM UTC

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Qwerty;137392

2. A strict option: in 2008, LZMS holds a series of closed tournaments, in which only representatives of clans participating in LZMS can take part. This is a very strict option; in this case, clans that have not only people who just chat but also people who play Heroes will find themselves in a situation of partial isolation. In addition, this option immediately excludes independent participants. In general, there is much to think about.

What's the point?..
The key phrase in all of this:

Qwerty;137392

this option immediately excludes participants

Hmm...
I think I'll organize a tournament now. It will be a closed tournament. Only I will participate in it.
SCARY???!!
:smile19: :smile19: :smile19:

The first option is, at the very least, better than the second, IMHO...

Registered: 10/18/2006

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#40 12/20/2007 11:17 AM UTC

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I disagree.
I don't think it's right to ignore clans that are not part of the LZMS in this way. I don't believe the LZMS should use any measures to oppress other forum members. I don't remember in which thread Drako expressed his opinion to you regarding a match of LZMS clans versus other clans, but the idea was that the LZMS is an organization designed to resolve conflicts, i.e., to have a positive influence for the benefit of HeroesWorld, not to set itself against others. Although I have a positive attitude towards the idea of such a competition because I perceive it not as an ideological confrontation but simply as another tournament like "Friendship of the Peoples" or "HeroesWorld vs Bai". And besides, Qwerty, you yourself are a tournament organizer and perfectly understand that for a tournament to be viable and successful, among other factors, a decent quorum of participants is important. I would rather host/participate in an all-forum tournament with many players and a broad bracket (the cooperation on 5v5 online with the League of Heroes is motivated precisely by gathering the necessary number of players — the more, the better). Moreover, for the forum, one big official tournament is better than several small ones. And regarding ignoring clan wars with clans not in the LZMS, few in the LZMS can field a 5v5 online team, but we want to play))), so what now? IMHO, what matters more is that clans are active, not dead, that they actually play Heroes. After all, this game is the most important thing — it's why we're all here. Membership in the LZMS is somewhat secondary.
So what if they're not in the LZMS? It's their loss; we are the ones who have a body for response and interaction among ourselves, we are the ones with a higher culture of inter-clan communication, not those other clans!
Although maybe Qwerty has some cunning secret plan, and this proposed exclusion is part of something more important and global that I simply don't understand? If so, write it down for giraffes like me, either here or in a PM)))

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#42 12/20/2007 12:08 PM UTC

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Hello, Inquisitor!
Glad to see you!
I was surprised by your clan's position because you have a genuinely active clan, members play the game instead of just chatting, and your clan is one of the oldest and personally respected by me. I always thought you were with us, among the other clans in the LZMС. That's why I was surprised that you didn't join...

The LZMС can demonstrate its strength by participating in a match.
You can show the USEFUL purpose of the organization by organizing an internal tournament. By the way, the 10 Van Cunningham memorial tournaments were organized by the LZMС. And representatives of your clan participated in them... Isn't that beneficial?

I sincerely hope that your clan will participate in the LZMС!

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#43 12/20/2007 12:15 PM UTC

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Inquisitor, weren't we always on good terms, or did I offend you somehow?
The thing is, an unprecedented event is happening right now – a joint tournament between two forums, plus a forum vs. forum tournament. Why are you saying that this isn't happening?
And still, the past 10 stages of the Van Cunningham tournament...
Clarify your position; we'll surely find common ground.

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#44 12/20/2007 12:19 PM UTC

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Let's skip the unnecessary words. We are simple people.

You see, we resolve every issue through an internal clan vote, and the final decision is made based on the results.

I have now organized this vote. In 3 days, I will tell you the result.

Of course, you didn't offend me :) Stay calm.

I am ready to join the LMS.

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#45 12/21/2007 6:59 PM UTC

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Okay, so – I hope everyone has had a chance to read the founder of LZMS, Lesha Pank's, "message to the public." He was quite upset about the situation that arose here....

So, I fully support him. LZMS will resolve issues within its area of competence (see the charter). LZMS's area of competence includes interaction and resolving issues for the Clans that have joined LZMS. The other Clans can do as they please. We don't mind ;) But in that case, I strongly ask that you DO NOT interfere in LZMS affairs. That's one thing.

Secondly, I still ask the leaders of all the Clans that are part of LZMS to gather and discuss further policy. I will also need help from one of the coordinators (many posts in LZMS topics will need to be completely deleted).

Thirdly, Qwerty mentioned closed tournaments as ONE of the measures, not necessarily the best one. So there's no need to gang up on him here. It's just a SUGGESTION.

I repeat once again – if you don't want to, don't join. Good luck!

P.S. Ink, I'm very glad to see you again! It's been a while since you've been here :)

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#46 12/24/2007 11:43 AM UTC

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Based on the results of the internal clan vote, the Alliance of Light clan will not participate in the LZHMS. No hard feelings, no regrets. p.s. Hi, Tanya ;)

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#47 12/27/2007 3:29 PM UTC

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Here's a question that's been on my mind: I've repeatedly noticed users applying to multiple clans simultaneously – presumably, they're going for whichever one accepts them first. The question is: are these kinds of people actually desirable in clans? I understand that if someone is rejected by one clan, they might apply to another. That's understandable. But applying to several at once – does that mean the person doesn't care which clan they join, as long as they're in one? Or how else should we interpret this?
Here's an example (from recent events). Yesterday, I received an application from a user named "lis." Today, I wanted to respond to it, but when I checked their profile, I saw that this person is already in the "Guardians of the Necronomicon." It's great, I guess... So, I don't really care about this person – I don't know who they are, etc. But it's not the first time I've seen users act like this – they apply to 2-3 clans at the same time (or even all of them) :(
What do you suggest we do about this? Should we even try to address it? Maybe it's just me who's bothered by this situation. I'm spending time and effort on these people, and it seems like they don't care...
In short, I'd like to hear the opinions of clan leaders.

P.S. For example, I suggest that all new applicants be checked more thoroughly. We should ask them if they've applied to only one clan. If not, we shouldn't accept them into the clan. IMO.

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Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...

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#48 12/27/2007 4:58 PM UTC

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Ta Kotoraya...;139274

P.S. I, for example, suggest that all newcomers be more thoroughly vetted. We should ask them if they applied to join only one clan. If not, we shouldn't accept them into the clan. IMHO.

But why? In our clan, it's simple: if they don't prove themselves during the trial period, goodbye! Let them choose where it's better!

Registered: 4/6/2006

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#49 12/27/2007 5:08 PM UTC

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Dmitriy767;139321

Why? In our clan, it's simple: if someone doesn't prove themselves during the trial period, they're out! Let them choose where it's better for them.

That's why I'm asking this question to everyone... Does anyone else besides me think this is a problem?
Does it matter to you whether a person joins your clan just for the sake of it, or with a specific purpose? For me, it does. If someone joins our clan, that person should WANT to be a part of OUR clan. If they don't care, then I don't care about them either. So, what's the point of being a unique clan if we accept people who don't care where they go?
Everything said above is just my opinion.

Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...

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