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19 years ago
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Someone has started criticizing the Unified State Exam (USE)... In principle, I understand everything more or less, but still... I finished 10th grade, took a practice USE test, scored 53 out of 60 points (a top grade starts at 49 points), and I'm happy. I really like tests because if I don't know something, I have a 50/50 chance of answering correctly (you can always eliminate 2 out of 4 answers), so the possibilities are pretty good.
The only thing that worries me is the literature exam. Its purpose is unclear. Especially since part C involves writing an essay.
By the way, about the essay.
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19 years ago
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So, what kind of knowledge is being tested? If there's a 50/50 chance of getting the right answer...
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19 years ago
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I honestly don't know. Taking the USE is good because you get into institutes based on the points earned, and it saves you from unnecessary stress. On the other hand, some exams, like literature, are better taken in the traditional form. The math exam is designed so that those studying for a 3 or a 4 will pass without any problems, but someone aiming for a 5 might actually fail. Then again, that's what makes it a five. And as for the Russian tests... one of us scored 55 points, even though he's completely clueless in Russian and wrote his dictations for a 3 bordering on a 2. Meanwhile, three people from our class were just one point short of a 5—now that's frustrating! And they also say there's strict discipline! That depends on where you end up. In my room, you couldn't even turn around, but in the next one, the answer sheets were flying all over the room, people were solving problems for each other and letting others cheat. Identical versions of the test sometimes appear in the same rooms too. That works in our favor, but from an organizational standpoint, these USE exams are far from perfect; they still need a lot of work.
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19 years ago
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Even excellent students can fail math if they don't think things through.
I scored 13 out of 14 points on the final exam, which was in the ЕГЭ format (13-14 points is a top grade), but I received a 4 because in my draft, I initially solved problem B5 using the substitution method, and then I realized how it was solved and wrote down the solution. They marked it down and wrote "no solution," even though I had the correct answer and two solutions (they checked our drafts). They penalized me for writing the following in my draft:
"Solved by trial and error
*solution*
Scientific justification: *another solution*
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As for "discipline"—yes, I have no words... Last year, when I was taking the Unified State Exam (USE) in biology, the proctor almost kicked me out of the restroom because my belt buckle was clinking too loudly—claiming that I was pulling out a cheat sheet...

And the essay for the USE in Russian is pure madness. Or don't call it an essay. Any essay should be a free expression of one's thoughts, but here it's just stupidly fitting your "arguments" into an official form... And it's wrong to require exactly 3 arguments to support your "opinion" regarding the problem in the text—you could provide one, but make it a strong one... Instead, poor graduates are forced to learn how to fluff their writing...

But overall, the USE, at least for Russian and biology, is manageable (although I am also all for the traditional exam format for literature and history)... I scored 83 and 75 points respectively—and got in without any problems... Although that was mostly because my teachers simply "drilled" me on how to solve USE-style tasks...
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19 years ago
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And the essay writing for the Russian exam is pure nonsense. Or rather, don't call it an essay. Any essay is a free expression of one's thoughts, but here it's just a stupid attempt to fit one's "arguments" into an official format... And it's also wrong to require exactly 3 arguments in support of one's "opinion" about the problem in the text - you can provide one, but a good one... And poor students are forced to learn how to write nonsense...

It's awful (about the essays)... and the thing about the toilet is just absurd:smile48:.
I have a friend in the ninth grade.
She took the exam.
She came out of the exam room, her hands were shaking, her eyes were wild :) Because it's hard to write without notes :).
+ those jerks took away her lucky pen with a dolphin on it.

Actually, I also prefer regular exams =).
Because I already have a couple of tricks up my sleeve... hehe... ;)
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19 years ago
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Well, that's it, game over. :)

Learn, gentlemen, and you will be successful; without learning, any knowledge test will become a trial for you.
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19 years ago
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Paladin, (*whispering*) you can hide spurs in an extreme way – in the décolleté):D….though I haven’t tried it myself – the size isn’t right :D…

and besides – I’m already finishing my first course at the institute, and I still don’t know how to use cheat sheets…
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19 years ago
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As a future educator, I can immediately say that the Unified State Exam (USE) doesn't test anything at all. As a rule, the questions there are a combination of the useless and the unnecessary. All of this is created for the sake of standardization, and standardization leads to dehumanization. So, nothing good will come of it.
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19 years ago
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Awesome-awesome.
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The Unified State Exam (USE) is like a lottery. I experienced this firsthand when I realized that my physics exam had a flawed version (I glanced over it, and it seemed okay, so I thought I could solve it), but when they changed the version, I couldn't do anything, it was incredibly difficult! And what should we call this? A real lottery.
Regarding the essay in Russian: Isn't it true that in Part C, you need to write an essay? When I took the exam, we had to write a review. And an essay and a review are different things.
In general, I'm against the USE – it's a complete mess and doesn't reflect true knowledge at all.
19 years ago
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If someone calls part "C" a stupid and unnecessary thing, then they can safely skip the exam – no surgeons will be able to help them. In my opinion, this is the only part (in Russian) that deserves attention. The rest – the tests – are not the same... I even agree with AlexeyPank on some points – a person should be able to speak, express their thoughts, and not act "by trial and error" (Maëlgrim, that's a good method; I solved a couple of math problems using substitution).

Overall, it's easy to pass the Unified State Exam. Of course, not for a stupid person. Preparation is all that's needed. And literature, by the way, is still taken in the traditional format.
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19 years ago
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2 Yegor: Literature is assessed in the form of the Unified State Exam (EGE). Or, for specialized subjects (e.g., philology), it can be assessed both in the form of the EGE and in the traditional format.
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19 years ago
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And, by the way, literature is still assessed in the traditional format.
And no one is arguing that it's currently assessed in the traditional format, but literature was also part of the Unified State Exam (USE). The problem with the tests is that they focus on trivial details. What should we feel after reading a book? We should experience emotions, understand the author's ideas, follow the characters' journeys, grasp the essence of the story. But the tests focus on pointless facts. For example, the tired old question: which train ran over Anna Karenina.
In general, part C of the Russian exam involves fitting dry facts into a given text. You are required to prove a specific, already stated and well-worn problem with your own examples. And what does that lead to? "The author argues that war is bad. Firstly, people are killed, secondly, monuments and cultural heritage are destroyed, and thirdly, they even say so on TV." You wouldn't say: "War is great! Mountains of meat, seas of blood!" And there is practically no room for expressing your own thoughts. In a regular essay, you could come up with all sorts of ideas, but here, everything is constrained. And they even evaluate the essence of the answer and the artistic merit of this 150-word nonsense.
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The Unified State Exam (USE) is complete idiocy! I got a score of 50 out of 60 on Russian because I filled in the answer bubbles incorrectly in Part B! Yes, I asked five times how to fill them in! And they didn't even know how to fill in the answer sheets and answered all my questions with, "We don't know, and we shouldn't even be dealing with this! Just read the instructions carefully!" And they were bringing water in plastic cups... This woman handed me one, even though I didn't ask, saying, "Drink this and calm down!" after I had been arguing for 15 minutes... I knew this would happen when I didn't want to take it! Of course, I spilled it, but thankfully it was on the test paper, not on the work I wrote with a gel pen! I asked them 25 times how to fill in the enumeration in Part B, question 8... And they gave me water instead!!!! As a friend told me, I was supposed to use commas... But I didn't, so sad. And they also misspelled my name on the test paper – Natal'ya, even though it's NatalIya... And then they ran around for 2 hours filling out some forms.... And for math, they gave us last year's exam just to pass us (like in a specialized math class... how could we do without it!), and we almost all failed it, even though many of us got into Moscow State University and the Faculty of Mechanics and Mathematics without this USE.

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