Heroes 5 – “A masterpiece or an unfinished product?” — General

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Make minor improvements and release it by the end of March

15.4% 10 votes

Refine bug fixes more carefully and postpone the release date.

29.2% 19 votes

Careful refinement, postponement of release, another test, further refinement, release

55.4% 36 votes

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In reply to Firelord

ДАК

20 years ago

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Still, Heroes is a terrible job and a lack of willingness to work...
All the changes (hexes, interface, spellbook, etc.) that the developers tried to cover up by claiming they were impossible to implement in 3D (and without 3D, the game supposedly wouldn't be interesting to anyone) can safely be considered a deception.
This is clearly visible now, when information appeared about another Heroes-like game from the developers of Space Rangers.
Please take a look at the implementation at http://www.ag.ru/games/battle_lord
Let's support our domestic manufacturer of unfinished products.:mad:

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CTPAHHuK

20 years ago

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Nice screenshots, but Heroes is Heroes :cool:
We're just trying to figure out where to find the time for Heroes 5, so we won't be able to try out a new game :(

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NecroFill

20 years ago

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DAK

Please take a look at the implementation http://www.ag.ru/games/battle_lord
Let's support our domestic producer of half-baked things.:mad:
Listen, it actually is true - very cute graphics - much more interesting than in HOMM5.

They probably kept the hexes because they didn't want to bother with two-tile creatures...

By the way, I think the graphics in these Battle Lords are more epic and generally much smoother and anti-aliased than in Heroes...

Maybe Nival really is just full of free-riders wanting to make a quick buck again...
And I'm sure that these Battle Lords won't be as widespread as Heroes - there's absolutely no PR or advertising...
Well, and then of course the game only comes out in 2007 - who knows - maybe it will be noticed...

But judging by the description - this game is actually an RPG, not a strategy ;)...

In reply to NecroFill

ДАК

20 years ago

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NecroFill

Maybe it's true that there are only free-riders in Nival, wanting to make a quick buck again... But I'm sure these Battle Lords won't just vanish like the heroes did — there's absolutely no PR or advertising...
And then of course, the game will only be released in 2007 — who knows — maybe it'll be noticed then...

I think the game will be noticed. 1C knows how to promote games. :)
And the development team is solid too. Space Rangers was also a breakthrough. A huge one. The game's success is extraordinary, and that in itself is a good claim for victory.
So if 1C puts in the effort, then Battle Lords! heirs to the KoB series! from the developers of "Space Rangers"! will get the PR they need...
Personally, I really liked the spellbook and the hero interface...

In reply to ДАК

NecroFill

20 years ago

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I actually liked everything in the screenshots – the art style is truly fantasy-like and, thank goodness, without any anime influences :p
Looking at these unit figures, spells, and artifacts, I'm already drooling – everything is so beautifully drawn ;)
I hope this will be a masterpiece, but I'm already doubting whether Heroes 5 will be one – the graphics are too clunky, and the gameplay is rather tedious...

Nival's designers could learn a thing or two from them about fantasy – by the way, many elements of the screenshots vaguely reminded me of the graphics from Space Rangers – you can feel the style ;)

Night

20 years ago

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Necrofill and DAK
Maybe you should create a thread about the YouTube game instead, as this is just spam.

In reply to Night

ДАК

20 years ago

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Night

Necrofill and DAK
Maybe you should create a thread about the YouTube game instead, because this is just spam:)

This wasn't spam, but rather an example of how certain elements from Heroes could be implemented, elements that Nival abandoned for unclear reasons...
Among these reasons were the inability to implement more than three spells on a page in the spellbook, and the fact that all the hero's skills and abilities simply wouldn't fit on a single tab, and so on.
But here, people have done it, and it looks good and isn't too cluttered...

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Night

20 years ago

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DAK

Among these reasons were the inability to implement more than three spells on a page in the spellbook, and the fact that all the hero's skills and abilities simply wouldn't fit on a single tab, and so on.
But here, people have created something that is not only not small but even beautiful...

But if there were no Heroes, this game wouldn't exist either.
It's a clone with minor upgrades; they came along and capitalized on what was already done...

In reply to Night

ДАК

20 years ago

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Night

But if there were no Heroes, then this game wouldn't exist either.

There wouldn't be King's Bounty, there wouldn't be heroes. It's a clone with minor upgrades, they basically came in and took advantage of everything that was already done.

Night

It's a clone with minor upgrades, they basically came in, took advantage of what was already done, and added a little something...

Try to clone it. There's Malgrim. It's also a clone, so what?
But the difference is noticeable. By the way, if you look at what this "clone" is, it's not that much. Starting with the fact that traveling on the strategic map is not TBS.
It's actually a pure RPG, and the Heroes only have tactical battles.
So it's not a clone, but a full-fledged mix of genres.
And the fact that with a sufficient level of graphics, people were able to create a pleasant interface is a fact. Heroes 5 still needs to be patched and patched to get there.
Therefore, it's impossible to call Heroes 5 a masterpiece, it has a lot of shortcomings.
And some of them are clearly due to unwillingness, not impossibility, to properly implement them. Don't fix what isn't broken. Nival doesn't know that.
They got:
- incomplete 3D (it's impossible to rotate the camera 360 degrees on the battlefield)
- a poor hero interface
- a poor spellbook
- poor unit models (not all of them, but there are enough, like the gargoyle and the new treant, it's like - what was the author smoking?)
- weak map filling (like in Demiurges, why bother, why think, let's do it like before)
Of course, this is all IMHO, but it's not a masterpiece.
The game will be good and will pay off. But it's not a masterpiece. It needs to be fixed and fixed.
Well, okay, the modders will fix it.

In reply to ДАК

CTPAHHuK

20 years ago

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DAK
I agree about the spellbook, but the camera angle could have been more dynamic. There are definitely some things moderators should fix in the post.

In reply to ДАК

Night

20 years ago

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DAK
Then, if that's the case, why are you on the forum, why were you looking for a bunch of news? Just to tear the game down later and say, "Oh, this is just mass-produced garbage, I'm going to play Lords instead"? :confused:
Yes, Heroes has become a brand, but is that a bad thing?!
Remember how excited everyone was about the second Underground, and after half a year, or even less, they said it was incomplete. And why? Because all sorts of copycats were releasing new games with the same idea, copied from the original, but with small additions. I'd like to see what they would create without the original source.
Malgrimia is presented as a continuation of King's Bounty.

Whew, I've said my piece:)

In reply to Night

Vlad

20 years ago

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Hey, don't bash the heroes! Heroes forever!!!! I will never say that they are bad or unfinished!!!! And you shouldn't either!!!! Even if the games aren't the best, at least they are beautiful, and they will fix everything with patches!!!! And don't worry, people will still play them; they are still playing the 4th game, so they will play the 5th one too. Let's see what they will do with the 6th one... Okay, it hasn't been invented yet...

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Night

20 years ago

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Xaker

Hey, don't bash the Heroes! Heroes forever!!!! I will never say that they are bad or unfinished!!!! And you shouldn't either!!!! Even if the game isn't the best, at least it's beautiful, and they'll fix everything with patches!!!! And don't worry, people will still play it; they're still playing the 4th game, so they'll play the 5th too. Let's see what they'll do with the 6th...

And what was I talking about?:):):)

In reply to Night

Vlad

20 years ago

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Night

What am I talking about?:):):)

So, I'm also talking about that – one vote is too little, but two is a lot... So, no one can compete with us!!!!:D :D :D And what about everyone being against the 5th option???? That's a problem – two little sheep against the entire forum wolf pack... Mom, save me....:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

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Varg-Nar

20 years ago

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Message from Xaker
So, I also think that one vote is too little, but two is a lot... So, no one can compete with us!!!! And what about everyone else being against Heroes 5? That's a problem – two small sheep against the entire forum wolf pack... Mom, save us....

I'm with you, guys!!!!!:) :eek: I'll become a terrible orc for the heroes:mad: and tear my fingers to shreds so that they don't send a hat and beard to the Heroes.;)
You can take note of me, I'm with you!!! Now you're not just two!:)