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They acted in the interests of their new overlord, from whom they expected the fulfillment of their modest dream – freedom and a simple life, and that is all. The fact that Lü Bu did not want to, or did not think to, stop the war after the execution of his king is already a question of his lack of intelligence or inability to think clearly as a result of the situation (anger, anxiety, fear) or past traumas. Renfa herself did not plan to continue the war but simply followed his ideas, which may not be a smart move, but it is not a bad one either, again, due to the same situation. Compared to her, Shura is simply a robot focused on the justice she imagined in her head.

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They acted in the interests of their new overlord, from whom they expected the fulfillment of their modest dream – freedom and a simple life, and that is all.
They expected him to grant them a position of power, not a "simple life." They could easily have found a simple life on other islands if they had flown away. After all, Lu Bu had a simple life before the war, when he lived with his father, who signed a peace agreement. But no, a position of power built on the blood of others is preferable.
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Holding a position of power in this nation is essential for leading a simple life, as without it, you are essentially a slave. The question of whether it was possible or not to leave during the event was never raised, but since they didn't leave, it means that such an option was not available for one reason or another. It is also important to remember that, until the moment the king was executed, he feared him. Otherwise, there was no indication anywhere that either of these two wanted to revel in the blood of others and participated in the war simply to satisfy their bloodlust.

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Shura, in comparison, is just a robot focused on the justice she has imagined in her head.
Shura is a person who is not devoid of empathy, in contrast to the couple of sociopaths, Lu Bu and Renfa. In achieving her goals, she never crossed any unnecessary lines and always cared about the people around her. She did not commit actions that could negatively affect those around her. And even when this supposed goal could have been easily achieved, she preferred to abandon it, in contrast to the well-being of others. Because she is not a monster who steps on others, but a person who is aware of the consequences of her actions.
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Holding a position of power in this nation is necessary for leading that simple life, because without it, you are nothing more than a slave. The question of whether or not it was possible to leave during the event was never raised, but since they didn't leave, it means that such an option was not available for one reason or another.
People could calmly arrive on the islands and leave them, and this very point came up. In fact, Shura, when she was still a teenager, was able to leave for another island to find a job. And at that time, she was still nobody. I don't see any reason why Renfa and Lu Bu couldn't have done the same.
Otherwise, there was not even a hint anywhere that either of this pair wanted to revel in the blood of others and participated in the war simply because of the desire to satisfy their bloodlust.
Lu Bu literally said that he would kill "everyone to the last" of the inhabitants of both kingdoms. And at that moment, there was absolutely no point in continuing the war.
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Shura was simply a golden child, with every opportunity available to her. Renfa and Lu Bu were always in a subservient position (except for the time when he was in the first king's family), so comparing their ability to leave the island is pointless.
Lu Bu literally said that he would kill "everyone to the last" of both kingdoms. And that was at a time when there was absolutely no point in continuing the war.
You can say a lot when your blood boils.

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Shura was simply a golden daughter, with all the opportunities in life open to her. Renfa and Lu Bu were always in the position of servants (not counting the time when he was in the family of the first king), and therefore it makes no sense to compare their opportunities to leave the island.
I don't think the ship captains were too concerned whether you were a "golden daughter" (from the servant class, lol) or just some random guy. Lu Bu, in fact, earned a lot of money even in his youth, for someone with the rank of a servant, and his parents lived comfortably.
You can say a lot when the blood rushes to your head.
Well, he didn't just say it, he also led troops, transformed into a demonic centaur, and entered into a deadly battle.
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The ship captains are concerned about the orders of the rulers of the countries they are in, and if you are a servant, I doubt it would be that easy to leave, otherwise there would be significantly more refugees, but such things are never mentioned.
Well, he didn't just say it, he also led the troops, transformed into a demonic centaur, and entered into a deadly battle.
When he merged with the horse, it was simply the peak of madness.

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The ship captains are concerned about the orders of the rulers of the countries they are in, and if you are a servant, I doubt it would be so easy to fly away from there; otherwise, there would be significantly more refugees, but no one ever talks about them.
Well, Shura was also a servant, but she flew away without any problems.
When he merged with the horse, it was the peak of madness.
The event specifically emphasized that Lu Bu was in full control, and the horse had no influence on his actions, as he had completely suppressed its personality.
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Being in complete control of the symbiosis doesn't necessarily mean thinking clearly.
When she was sixteen, she entered the service of a local noble family to help with living expenses for her newborn sister. A Sphirian officer who visited the noble family recognized Shura's potential as a strategist, adopted her, and brought her back to Sphiria.

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It's strange that this moment wasn't included in the event itself, but rather placed in the codex. Oh well, let's assume. One can still argue, however, about the ways to escape against the will of the nobles. (or after usurping power, like Lü Bu). But that's a separate topic. Other points are still valid.
Being in complete control of the symbiosis does not necessarily mean thinking clearly.
Lü Bu, in general, is not very capable of clear thinking, as I mentioned earlier. The horse incident fits very well with his modus operandi.
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Out of three players who play GBF on Haven, two prefer the robot and one prefers the cute character. The developers are, of course, making the robot playable, which is so unfair.

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Please also note that one has a warm and pleasant smile of a loving woman. The other looks like she came to eat buckwheat and dig potatoes.

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Looking at this whole discussion, I want to point out a few things:
1) I don't know much about the lore of all this and voted for the girl who looked the most appealing.
2) It's funny, but I was going to vote for the top one, not the bottom one, because the first one has a better outfit, and, as Revan pointed out above, a pleasant smile. But my hand slipped, and I only found out about my mistake from the results.
3) I read the whole discussion and now I'm wondering if my subconscious didn't make the right choice for me, because the bottom girl is obviously lawful good, even if she's just a cog in the political machine.
4) I still think the girl at the top is more attractive from an external point of view, and the outfit on the one below is better, but according to the description, it's some kind of outlandish and impractical thing. But on the face of the top one, it's written that she's a cunning bitch, and on the face of the second one, that she's as simple as a forty-kopeck coin (this is not a disadvantage in my understanding, if that's what you mean).
In short, strange conclusions, I don't know what to do with them now.
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But on the face of the first one, it's written that she's a cunning one, and on the second one, that she's as simple as a forty-kopeck coin (this isn't a flaw in my opinion, if that's what you're wondering).
The first one, according to the lore, is a bit of a simpleton and doesn't have any particular talents besides her looks, which explains her envy towards her sister. The second one, according to the lore, is an intelligent strategist who makes well-considered and deliberate decisions.
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