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6 years ago
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DJ Brooklyn
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=Lizard=
I don't take apprentices...
Perhaps, esteemed Lizard, you should become an apprentice to the TS.
After all, there haven't been such players in the history of Heroes before :D :D :D
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6 years ago
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First, tell me, have you watched any Heroes streams on Twitch or YouTube?
DJ Brooklyn
PS. Tell me, "SMART GUY," how can you reach Jebus Cross XL in the first week if the Guardian of the Castle is improved Efreet 50-99 (of course, without flight and the Dimension Door spell). Because I myself got wings at level 117 and flew over the mountains to level 211, but that doesn't work. Tell me how to do it without that, please!
Sultans are one of the most difficult Guardians, and they won't always be available. But they can also be defeated, even in the first week. 30 ducks, 20 cyclops. You can hide on the tactical map. You can get the first speed. There are many options. Moreover, their number has been greatly reduced; there used to be more of them.

I'll just post a few clips from yesterday that I could find, showing who reached the first or 121 level. All these runs were without significant losses.
Diabler 117
Hell 121
Reddy 116
There is a video recording where you can watch all the games from the first day. Moreover, there are dozens of such games every day.
DJ Brooklyn
Lizard, I played with you once, and my opinion is that you are a CHEATER.
Good job! You've uncovered the conspiracy!!! :smile14: We're all cheaters here, gathered in one place, and we're proving to the common folk that everything is fair! Is that how it is? :D

P.S.: I'm warning you one last time. The next insult will result in a ban on the forum. People are treating you normally, so be kind in return.
In reply to =Lizard=
6 years ago
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=Lizard=
I wouldn't take him as an apprentice, he's really bad...

Take other weirdos as apprentices, you "SMART" guy, he was good on level 111 )))) One is just as good as the other )))):smile54:
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6 years ago
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Well, here's an example, by the way: Hell's run to level 112 for the Moon faction. There's a similar run from Amilu, also reaching level 112.

There's a run to level 111 on YouTube. But this might not count, as it was achieved through repeatedly regenerating the map in single-player and selecting the necessary conditions.

I'm also hearing about Lizard's run to 111 for the first time. I'd like to see some proof, if possible.
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6 years ago
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First, tell me, have you watched any Heroes streams on Twitch or YouTube?

Sultans are one of the most challenging factions, and they don't always work. But they can also be defeated, even in the first week. 30 ducks, 20 cyclops. You can hide on the tactical map. You can get the first initiative. There are many options. Moreover, their numbers have been greatly reduced; there used to be more of them.

I'll just post a few clips from yesterday that I could find, showing players who started on the first or 121th day. All these starts were without critical losses.
Diabler 117
Hell 121
Reddy 116
There's a video recording where you can watch all the games from the first day. Moreover, there are dozens of such games every day.

Well done! You've uncovered the conspiracy!!! :smile14: We're all cheaters, gathered in one place, and we're proving to the common folk that everything is fair! Is that what you think? :D

P.S.: I'm warning you one last time. The next insult will result in a ban on the forum. People are treating you normally, so be kind in return.

There's a smart aleck here, and I understand that it's you :smile54: and I don't care that you're going to be banned; don't you understand? :D

And what did you want to say about the factions? There were 5-9 unupgraded hydras...

about the cheaters, I only understood that you and Lizard are the same.

When you start to present normal arguments, the "cool" ones start to act like they're in charge :D

And regarding the streams, these are also isolated cases, and look how many minutes they last!

30 ducks made me laugh :D (They're called Wyverns) 20 cyclops, and you still need to protect them with something, plus guards in front of them! And even then, you can't win with them!

And about the factions, even 50-99 upgraded Gargons, the same cyclops, 9-10 elite or golden dragons, and many others
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6 years ago
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Okay. Last question(s). Have you watched any streams or recordings of online games? If so, which ones?
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6 years ago
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Dirty_Player
Okay. Last question(s). Have you watched any streams or recordings of online games? If so, which ones?
Why does he need streams? The guy lives in his own world where everyone who plays better than him is a cheater :D It's all simple and clear; there's nothing to learn. Just move the horses randomly and report the cheaters.
I definitely like this attitude.
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6 years ago
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Well, I can’t provide proof now, it was almost 10 years ago. Maybe we can ask Dubrovin, with whom I was playing in the VT chat back then. If you have the Vampire artifact, getting 113 wasn’t that unusual. And, in addition to that artifact, there was a nearby, abundant source of creatures (specifically, regular lions at that time), and voilà. I think even the incomparable DJ could have managed that battle.

P.S. Dubrovin took a break back then.
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6 years ago
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Dirty_Player
Okay. Last question(s). Have you watched any streams or online game recordings? If so, which ones?

I have. Recordings on YouTube. As I said, my opinion is that most streams are staged (not representative for me).

P.S. You won't believe it, but I watched two yesterday, at work. One guy managed to reach 121 on L (he miraculously had a scroll of air summoning, a cloak +2 to magic and knowledge, a shield of the ogre, and a gnoll's mace, and yes, two native castles). He had 95 improved gorgons as guards. He cleared it easily, nothing to say, but it's a rare case. And of course, he spent a week doing it ))))))

And the second one reached 122. I still don't understand why he needs to rush so much to collect the relics of Utopia and your "ducks" ))) A week doesn't give you anything.

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Why does he need streams? The guy lives in his own world, where everyone who plays better than him is a cheater :D Everything is simple and clear, there's no need to learn anything. Just move the horses randomly and report the cheaters.
I definitely like this position.

Mr. Pridu, I didn't say that! Don't act smart! I understand everything! I'm proving, firstly, that with a timer of 2, 1, 30, 1, it's not realistic. Secondly, that isolated cases are one thing, and the average outcome is another!

P.S. Regarding "The guy lives in his own world," look at yourself, I live in a normal world.
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6 years ago
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DJ Brooklyn
I watched the recordings on YouTube.

PS. You won't believe it, but I watched two more yesterday. At work, I managed to grind out a level 121 on L. There was a miraculous Scroll of Air Summoning, a cloak with +2 to magic and knowledge, a Shield of the Magi, and a Gnoll Scythe. Oh, and two native castles. The guard was 95, with an upgraded Gorog. I cleared it without any problems, but it was a one-off. And of course, he spent a week doing it.))))

And the second time, he reached level 122. I still don't understand why people rush so much to collect the Utopia relics and your "ducks." A week doesn't make a difference.

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Mr. Pridu, I didn't say that! Don't act smart! I understand everything! I'm proving, firstly, that with a timer of 2, 1, 30, 1, it's not realistic. Secondly, that isolated cases are one thing, and the average outcome is another!

PS regarding "A person lives in their own world," look at yourself; I live in a normal world.
Who are you trying to prove anything to? I only see one thing: if someone goes against you earlier than your psychological breaking point, they're immediately labeled a cheater. You don't even try to look at the saves, even though you should. At least take a look once and try to repeat what your opponent did.
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6 years ago
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Could someone provide a precise formula for calculating the rating, taking into account all factors (the rating of both players, the map, etc.)? Examples would be appreciated. Thank you.
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6 years ago
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You don't even try to look at the saves. Listen, "smart guy," who said I don't look at saves? I've looked at so many, and I've proven that it's all wrong (except for 3-5 cases out of 50).

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=Lizard=
Could someone write an exact formula for calculating the rating, depending on all factors (both players' ratings, map, etc.)? With examples, if possible. Thank you.

I agree with you here; I also REALLY want to know!

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By the way, I'm ready to play against any opponent, even today, to prove my point!
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6 years ago
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DJ Brooklyn
I watched it. YouTube videos. I've said before that my opinion is that most streams are staged (not representative for me).
What does "staged" mean? I just don't understand how you can organize a staging? Thousands of people are watching – it’s not staged for them. You watched one video and immediately figured everyone out.
DJ Brooklyn
P.S. You won't believe it, but yesterday I watched two more while at work. One guy was grinding on level 121 on L (there was miraculously an air summoning scroll there, +2 magic cloak and knowledge, Ogre Shield and Gnoll Mace, oh yeah, and two native castles) guarding a 95 improved Gorogon. He cleared it normally, nothing to say, but this is a rare case. Oh, and of course, he spent a week doing it ))))))
In general, this is not an unusual case; it's the norm. And the fact that something appears “miraculously” is normal; after all, it's Jebus Cross, there are many artifacts, scrolls, etc. You just need to find them.

The game takes approximately this amount of time:
During the first week, players play simultaneously for about an hour.
During the second week, they take turns playing for about an hour or an hour and a half, and the game ends.
Total game duration is about 2-2.5 hours.
DJ Brooklyn
Well, and the second one reached level 122. I still don’t understand why you have to rush so much to collect relics from Dragon Utopia and your "ducks" ))) A week doesn't give you anything.
On average, the game ends in the second week. They reach the center, collect artifacts, Dragon Utopias, Pandoras, and then comes the final battle. But sometimes games can be longer, but this happens less often.

If you play in super-blitz mode, as you do, of course, you will finish later, but not by much. Well, 121-123 will be the average level when fully equipped.

You are a strange person, though. You can't even imagine that you might be wrong and listen to others. :smile32:
Do you go to the gym and shout that lifting 150 kg is staged just because you can't do it yourself?

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Can anyone write an exact formula for calculating rating based on all factors (both players' ratings, template, etc.)? With examples, if possible. Thank you.
See message 1 in this topic. There’s further discussion there. Someone posted a table with calculations depending on the difference between the player and their opponent. But I can't find it right away.
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6 years ago
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Dirty_Player
What do you mean "staged"? I simply don't understand how one could even organize a setup. Thousands of people are watching — for them, it's not staged. You watched one video and suddenly figured everyone out.

I wrote that I didn't just watch one video, which means thousands aren't catching on

Overall, this isn't an unfair case, but the norm, if anything. And the fact that something "miraculously" turns up is normal; it's Jebus Cross, after all, there are plenty of artifacts, scrolls, etc. You just have to find them.

So without this scroll (I wrote about the merge above, he simply wouldn't have brought out ГО) I am saying a certain percentage of luck is present

In terms of time, the game goes roughly like this:
The first week players move simultaneously for about an hour.
The second week they move in turns for about an hour to an hour and a half and the game ends.
Total game duration is about 2-2.5 hours.

That's how it goes for slow-thinkers; for me, the first week takes no more than 10 minutes, I'm not going to spend 16 minutes moving on the first day, what a nightmare, a gathering of laggards

The game usually ends in the second week. You move to the center, collect artifacts, Dragon Utopia, Pandoras, and then the final battle. But there are prolonged games too, though that's rarer.

If you play super-blitz, like you do, of course, the exit will be later, but not by much. Well, 121-123 would be the average exit, fully charged.

Who said the game SHOULD be played exactly this way? If laggards play like that, it's no indication that it's all correct

You're a strange person, truly. You can't even for a minute assume that you might be wrong and actually listen. :smile32:
You don't go to the gym and scream that bench-pressing 150 kg is staged just because you can't do it yourself, right?

I didn't get the gym example :cool: By "staged," I mean that the maps aren't random. For the last time, according to my timer, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY LIKE THAT and that's a fact!
6 years ago
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I posted the table with the old rating coefficients. The numbers are no longer relevant; only their ratio matters. The main points from it are:
With equal ratings, they give/take K/2.
If you have 120 more rating points, they give K/3 and take 2K/3.
If you have 200 more, they give K/4 and take 3K/4.
If you have 250 more, they give K/5 and take 4K/5.

The coefficient K for the templates in the first post of the topic is listed.

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