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Who is to blame, and what should we do?
90 voters
Multiple choice Public votes Closed 2016-06-15
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Nobody
11.1% 10 votes
Lizard, because I bought the game
37.8% 34 votes
Redwhite, because he sold the game
34.4% 31 votes
Dirty, because he accepted the result of the game
18.9% 17 votes
All others who knew but did not prevent it
18.9% 17 votes
Ayeve, because he DIDN’T sell the game to Hell to restore balance and justice
11.1% 10 votes
Do nothing
12.2% 11 votes
Deprive Lizard of his title
18.9% 17 votes
Ban Redwait from the AK
36.7% 33 votes
Include in the CIS regulations a ban on match-fixing and create a mechanism to monitor this
44.4% 40 votes
Don’t pair winners with losers
13.3% 12 votes
I don’t have an opinion; I want to see the voting results.
15.6% 14 votes
In reply to Dima Surmay
10 years ago
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Dima Surmay
Remind me, are prearranged draws allowed on our portal? If so, I don't see much difference between a prearranged draw and a prearranged loss.
There are situations where a draw is the natural outcome of the game, but they are now actively fighting against prearranged results.
In reply to Gomunguls
10 years ago
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Gomunguls
Everyone who played in this tournament and everyone who came just as a spectator.
As a spectator, I disagree; in my opinion, this should be decided by those who participated in the championship.
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10 years ago
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Today, I banned someone for being a "keyboard warrior" during a stream with Hel – come over, run it, and then criticize it. No questions for RTR. Regarding Vitaly – he’s a very reasonable person; I’ve seen him in person, not just heard about him. The topic has indeed been exhausted; enough is enough.
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10 years ago
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Dima Surmay
Remind me, are arranged draw results allowed on our portal? If so, I don't see much difference between an arranged draw and an arranged loss.
should I give you a link to the arranged draw(s) that we've already had in past tournaments on HeroesWorld, in 111 I think...?
In reply to Dark
10 years ago
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Dark
Should I give you a link to the arranged draw(s) that we already had in the tournaments on HW at 111, I think...?
I would like to know not what happened or didn't happen, but whether it is forbidden or allowed, because I play fair and square, and I have no intention of acting dishonestly, even if someone else does so and gets away with it. But I think in our troubled times, no one will give a definite answer (
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10 years ago
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Hmm... It seems like things are just starting to calm down... But then, someone stirs things up again: either armchair analysts or the "culprits" themselves. Okay, let's put an end to this topic.
=Lizard=
I feel obligated to express my opinion on the matter in order to defend Redwait. There is no one else to blame for the current situation except me, and it's simply because I made all the arrangements. Redwait came to the championship in debt and barely had enough money to buy lunch...
I feel obligated to speak out in order to dispel the "defense of Redwait" myth. A simple analogy. Let's say we have a drug addict. And there's a person selling drugs to the addict. Who will go to jail in this case? The seller. Because...

Article 6.9 of the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation - Consumption of narcotic drugs or psychotropic substances without a doctor's prescription or new potentially dangerous psychoactive substances.
1. Consumption of narcotic drugs or psychotropic substances without a doctor's prescription or new potentially dangerous psychoactive substances, with the exception of cases provided for in Part 2 of Article 20.20, Article 20.22 of this Code, or failure to comply with a lawful request of an authorized official to undergo a medical examination to determine the state of intoxication by a citizen with respect to whom there are sufficient grounds to believe that he has consumed narcotic drugs or psychotropic substances without a doctor's prescription or new potentially dangerous psychoactive substances, -
shall be punishable by an administrative fine of four thousand to five thousand rubles or administrative arrest for up to fifteen days.

2. The same action committed by a foreign citizen or a person without citizenship, -
shall be punishable by an administrative fine of four thousand to five thousand rubles with administrative expulsion from the Russian Federation or administrative arrest for up to fifteen days with administrative expulsion from the Russian Federation.

Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, Article 228.1. Illegal production, sale, or shipment of narcotic drugs, psychotropic substances, or their analogues, as well as illegal sale or shipment of plants containing narcotic drugs or psychotropic substances, or their parts containing narcotic drugs or psychotropic substances.

1. Illegal production, sale, or shipment of "narcotic drugs," psychotropic substances, or their analogues, as well as illegal sale or shipment of plants containing narcotic drugs or psychotropic substances, or their parts containing narcotic drugs or psychotropic substances, -
shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of four to eight years with restriction of liberty for a term of up to one year or without it.

The same applies here...

As for the championship being financed by debt, that's just nonsense. In 2013, Merlin simply had zero resources, specifically "Gold," to go to the CIS championship. And he didn't go. And he didn't die. And no one died. Because the CIS championship is not a life-or-death event. The CIS championship is a vacation for adults, and this vacation costs money. If you don't have money, you either find a responsible solution for yourself with all the consequences, or you don't go. That's all.
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10 years ago
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Everyone has their own problems... :D :D
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10 years ago
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That's right, heroes are like a drug, we need to lock them all up:smile21:
10 years ago
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The agency "Gyner and Juventus" offers its services for attending and participating in CIS championships at an affordable price.
*Winks at Dirty.
If things are so bad and Kirill cited the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, then all that's left is to laugh, guys)))
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10 years ago
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Merlin, we need an article about bribery/corruption; it's more relevant.
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10 years ago
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Dima Surmay
I would like to know not what was or wasn't, but what is prohibited or allowed, as I play fairly and don't intend to cheat, even if someone else does and gets away with it. But I think in our troubled times, no one will give a definitive answer.
You weren't even there; how can you judge people?! The sense of conscience (or justice, in other words) has different meanings for everyone... For some, revenge by killing a person is justice, while for others, it's enough to say some curses behind that person's back, and for a third, it's simply forgiving, so it's better not to engage in demagoguery. Essentially, the rules didn't restrict players, and the system glitched when matching losers with winners.
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10 years ago
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You haven't even been there, how can you judge people?! The sense of conscience (or justice, in other words) has different meanings for everyone... For some, taking revenge by killing a person is justice, while for others, it's enough to say some curses to that person behind their back, and for a third, it's just to forgive, so it's better not to engage in demagoguery. Essentially, the rules didn't restrict players + the system glitched when matching losers with winners.
Many who were there are pointing fingers, saying that we weren't there and have no right to judge, but I don't see the difference whether a person was there or not. You weren't in besieged Leningrad.
So, you think the rules allow selling games - I understand you. I wonder if Dirty thinks the same way?
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10 years ago
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Dima Surmay
Many who were there are now criticizing us, saying that we weren't there and have no right to judge, but I don't see the difference whether someone was there or not. You weren't in besieged Leningrad.
So, you think the rules allow selling games - I understand. I wonder if Dirty thinks the same way?
You can't see beyond your own nose; they're explaining to you that Dirty was appointed as a judge within certain parameters, the parameters of the rules! And according to them, even if he wanted to, he couldn't do anything, firstly because it's not provable, and secondly because they don't regulate this situation....
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10 years ago
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Dima Surmay
Remind me, are pre-arranged draws allowed on our portal? If so, I don't see much difference between a pre-arranged draw and a pre-arranged loss.

Unfortunately, they are allowed, so I suggest we stop discussing this.
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10 years ago
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Dark
You can't see beyond your own nose; they explain that Dirty was appointed as a judge within certain limits, the limits of the rules! And according to them, even if he wanted to, he couldn't do anything, firstly because it's not provable, and secondly because they don't regulate this situation...
What does "not provable" mean? Look, Lizard confessed above in the thread. And Red didn't deny it either. Or do you think that the confessions of criminals about committing a crime, along with the fact of the crime itself, are not enough?
It seems that all the defenders don't understand one important point. The idea of sports is about competition and struggle, the desire to win. Match-fixing violates the fundamental principles of sports competition because there is no real competition; the result is predetermined. By openly organizing a fixed match and now covering it up, you have simply reduced the prestige of your championship to zero. You are already in deep trouble, comrades. And with each new attempt to justify yourselves and cover it up, you only get more and more involved in it. It's a disgrace.

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