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#2934 11/5/2020 9:18 PM UTC

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Yeah, that's true. I don't remember if I mentioned this only to Revan or also in a discussion about one of the expeditions, but personally, the Kirishima branch always seemed more suitable for enemies than for player characters. Although the first skill in that branch played a significant role in this perception.

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#2935 11/5/2020 9:29 PM UTC

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To be honest, I don't think the idea is very good. You level up a strong warrior or archer, and then some woman just subdues you, and that's it. Very interesting. And if we create "subduers," we'll probably just get crushed and defeated in one turn. So, I'd prefer just having different types of damage (physical/magical) rather than some kind of mental attacks and other things.

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Registered: 12/16/2012

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#2936 11/5/2020 9:44 PM UTC

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You level up a strong warrior or archer, and then some woman just subdues you and that's it.

Realism.

Whatever

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#2937 11/5/2020 9:53 PM UTC

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Especially for Arandor, I will make the Kirishimok goddess also the goddess of trade.

E si sui vius, er mi grans benananza,
e si ieu muoir, er mi grans deliuriers

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#2938 11/5/2020 9:58 PM UTC

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In my opinion, the idea itself is not very good. You train a strong warrior or archer, and then some woman simply subdues you, and that's it. Very interesting.

That's exactly why Ikigai isn't... wait a minute!

The problem isn't in the subjugation, which exists in many systems and isn't available only to Kirishim (and is also very useful when characters have it), but in the irreversible change in the character's personality. Subjugation itself isn't worse than some invisible assassins with instant kills (a concept that is no less controversial than Kirishim, by the way), and perhaps even better. At least, it sometimes wears off with the death of the controlling NPC.

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But if we create subjugators, we'll probably get our asses kicked and be defeated in one turn.

But it doesn't have to be used in battles. It can also be used to gather information or even avoid combat altogether. But I agree that in battles, it is often not as useful, due to the fact that truly dangerous opponents either have immunities (from items or skills) or simply have very high characteristics, which means the chances of success are close to zero.

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So, I would prefer to simply have a variety of damage types (physical/magical) rather than some kind of mental attacks and the like.

Well, I don't know, in expedition systems, there is already a very strong bias towards straightforward combat.

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#2939 11/5/2020 10:02 PM UTC

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Ah yes: none of the above should be taken as a promise from the developer to potential players. Any complaints regarding the implementation/absence of certain concepts or mechanics in the final product will be rejected without consideration.

E si sui vius, er mi grans benananza,
e si ieu muoir, er mi grans deliuriers