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Go ahead and actually read it, and think. I'm not talking nonsense here; I'm saying very sensible things. Which, by the way, are based on personal experience in running such tournaments. Experience that neither you nor Eric have—because in recent years (I don't know about earlier), you've mostly spent your time in small "inner circle" gatherings without much sporting motivation. The kind of place where a lot is forgiven.
2 Vic
Read about my recent tournament, which you attended yourself. I don't accept your argument. Your doubts about my organizational skills are hurtful.
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The position of "I'll do it first, then you can criticize" is categorically unacceptable to me. Because the goal is to run a tournament well, not to find someone to blame. And taking a scalp from Eric won't make things any easier for me. And he is rushing toward this joyful event at full speed.
Let me answer for myself. You're acting like America caring about Iraq.
That's why I'm warning about the problems. And I'm asking a question—how does he intend to run 5 rounds in 4 days, combining that with bowling, barbecues, poker, and other things? Given that individual games lasting 12 hours are normal, and people's endurance is limited, as is their ability to sit in a club all day without a severe degradation of enthusiasm.
If there's no intentional sabotage, then why not run it? It's played the same way everywhere. We'll be in the club 12 hours a day. If there's a tense finale, the admins can wait a bit longer.
The tournament will hardly be finished with everyone present; as people lose, they'll head to poker and partying—that's inevitable. Hardly a dozen will remain by the finish, the most persistent and strongest, and they will play for the championship.
Yes, playing 4 rounds in 4 days is quite possible. Those who are no longer contending for places or finished quickly can hang out with chess, football, etc.
For example, say everyone finishes by 10 PM; it's too early to go to sleep. Why not play bowling or sit in the club for a couple or three hours? Or even set up a barbecue for the evening until 2-3 AM; if the weather is good, it's wonderful to have heart-to-heart talks.
But if you just dive into poker all night and sleep during the day—then we won't even play one round.
But the real problem lies in the fragmentation. Everyone needs to live together; the experience of recent tournaments proves this. If we solve the housing problem—whether it's a base or a private house—I think there won't be any problems. I think that even if it's not possible in Michurinsk to order a Gazelle or a bus to some place every morning, taxis aren't that expensive and will fit the budget. It's almost funny to talk about this. We sometimes blow through and lose sums in poker over one night that are many times larger than a taxi tour of the city every day for a month. So we can use a bus to get to the club in an organized way.
Eric, 7-8 people at your house isn't really serious... because there will be far more people wanting to stay on the very first day, and I wouldn't want you to have problems with neighbors or guests to have unfulfilled desires.
In general, it would be great to find:
1. suitable housing that can accommodate everyone who wants to come.
2. a service, or private individuals, ready to transport participants from point A to point B.
And if all this is resolved, then attendance at the club stops being a problem.
It seems simple, but in reality, of course, I might not know the nuances that could prevent Eric from doing this.
2 Stinger.
Tema, I've always valued you for your calm and clear manner of speaking. There are no problems with that.
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Michurinsk Sanatorium, 18 kilometers from the city. 500 rub per day per person. The rooms are decent enough, but you have to pay for food separately. Although if we're in the city all day, that doesn't matter.
You can arrive at night at 2 or 3 AM, provided you arrange it with the same-day shift beforehand.
Regarding buses. I know some entrepreneurs who do private hire (route buses). If we agree on a PAZ, say, it could easily transport 20-25 people to the city in the morning and then back to the sanatorium in the evening. Split between everyone, it'll be a small amount per person.
I'll come to Michurinsk (I see no alternatives)
Regarding the date: preferably organize for 30-4, as I'd like to see Alex at the tournament for its completeness.
Regarding the venue: I'm used to club tournaments; I simply haven't seen others, and I don't really want to lug around a laptop. The poker-style tourist base option scares me, to be honest).
I agree with Bayazet; even the mood for playing is different in a club.
So.
1. Accommodation at the sanatorium - 500 rub per day. (maybe I'll find an even better option, there's time).
2. A bus picks us up in the morning, say at 9:30, and takes us back at night.
3. We play in the club.
You've heard it all; I ask specific questions, but you avoid answering, just pouring out fluff. Just don't tell me that you don't see the difference between "in this situation I adapt to the circumstances" and "I adapt the circumstances to my specific situation."
Is it unpleasant for you to hear me? Then announce the poll results: how many people can come 30-04, and how many 06-09. If the majority is May Day, then I will silently observe the situation and definitely not come. What's the point of suggesting May 1-5 if it's unknown how many can come during those dates? I don't think you're "doing what you can." Rather, "doing as it happens." With all due respect, it feels like the goal is primarily to realize some personal ambitions. We'll just kick back a bit of money to the club, that's all. The main thing is to please the majority; otherwise, what's the point of the tournament?
The tournament cannot be on the 9th; I wrote why.
Furthermore, there are May Day holidays in Russia, but in Ukraine, it seems there aren't, and that's not my fault.
Now I am creating a topic about holding the tournament from May 2 to 5. You arrive on the third, you play one round in advance. I can't offer anything more.
The part about personal ambitions really stung. In general, I've read the thread; I promise that after this tournament, I'll leave Heroes. I'd like to be like Alan who left after Krasnodar, but we'll see how it goes. Yes, I have ambitions, I agree.
But if Eric continues to ignore the opinion of at least half of the working class, then everything is heading toward a repeat scenario and maybe it really is better to recruit youth, mixing them with a few veterans.
2 Cobra.
Let's count. You, Mee, Peterius... Vic. I get four people who criticize me. Plus Captain, but for him it's just habit, and he doesn't even play. The rest support me. That's normal; the critical mass of criticism is absent. :)
Check with Alex, you seem to know each other well: according to Cobra, a couple of days delay is tolerable for him.
2 PReDS.
Alex called me yesterday; he'll be there, doesn't object to 2-5, though he'll try to finish on the 4th.
Does anyone have grounds to doubt that Nagan can handle organizing the Championship as a sporting-intellectual event? If so, then name specific facts and grounds. Nagan didn't just announce the Championship in Michurinsk today. And at the very least, he gives the impression of being a responsible person and a Man of His Word. I'm ready to go to Michurinsk just to talk with him.
Yes, thank you. :cool: That's me.
Read it! Everything is clear! But don't forget the priorities, gentlemen! Everyone says everything is correct—but overall—IT'S A TOTAL MESS! I can help organize the event—I have enough experience since Krasnodar) !!! The organizers declare the regulations—and the tournament participants are obliged to follow them at a minimum!!! And it is up to the organizers, weighing all PROS and CONS, to make the final decision—which is also the only correct one!!!
Matrosov, I agree. Guys, don't worry, everything will go normally.
