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Which subject is more important: mathematics or language?
Heh. Attacking the opponent signifies poverty and an exhaustion of arguments. Isn't that so?
Again, one step at a time.
Both of these sciences are world-view based... that is why I am trying to prove to you which of them is more paramount in importance... and you are chewing the same old thing again... For a person of any nation, knowledge of their native language is extraordinarily important for preserving its spiritual foundations...
What am I "chewing"? I am proving the primacy of mathematics, the science of all sciences. To preserve spiritual foundations, it is not at all necessary to know which line to use when underlining adjectives. And what do you even mean by preserving spiritual foundations? Knowledge of classical literature? Kindness to one's neighbor? Aversion to adultery and gluttony?
The development of mechanical engineering will lead to the obsolescence of labor—an era will come where it is impossible to find a place for oneself in this world without global knowledge of the maximum amount of information... New mathematical innovations and ideas are merely a way for poor mathematicians to earn a little something because there is no work for them... only accounting and management are mathematically important now, just to chew over annual money reports...
Now that is just science-fiction nonsense. It will be harder to get a job as a loader, but mystical machines themselves are capable of nothing. They need maintenance; they cannot perform complex tasks, etc., etc. And if you compare the demand for accountants, economists, programmers, and other bureaucrats with the demand for Russian language teachers, you might be surprised by the total dominance of the former. Investments, loans, trading, turnover, contracts, business in general—that is mathematics. So...
And first, by the way, they teach letters from a primer. Then numbers.
I studied in zero grade... that's between kindergarten and first... first they teach letters, and only then numbers...
Oh yes, thank you so much for the correction.
And the subconscious just appears, right? Again, it's genetically laid down? The main thing is vocabulary!!!
Why are you shouting? Are you relying on the volume of your statements? Linguistic memory is vocabulary. And so what? That is exactly what I said. Crosswords don't train anything; they only play on a person's lexicon. But Sudoku forces one to perform calculations. No one said it was very difficult. And so what? But it specifically strains spatial thinking. "So that the digits don't match." And a crossword—what is that? That's for pensioners. In general, it's a pretty stupid argument—Sudoku vs. Crossword. Don't overthink it.
Is everything in your brain synchronized like in a public library—what "mathematical" centers!!!??? Before you answer anyone, do you start reasoning mathematically? Exactly, books-speech are the primary information, you finally admitted it yourself, while mathematics was created (until the 17th century it consisted only of simple calculations and geometric figures)......
I never thought that for a medal winner this would be a mystery. In your opinion, is the brain a homogeneous puddle of gray matter? Then you'd better read a middle-school biology textbook. Mathematics was created) and books, "they were always there"? Or did they arise from thin air? And speech too? Or maybe the gods sent them from heaven? Everything except natural sciences is artificially created in this world, baby. And to organize natural principles and patterns for oneself, mathematics was created—as a Rampart of rationalism. And to organize the sounds produced by the larynx and oral cavity, to use them to designate phenomena and objects, speech was created.
No need for filth—I have never held such an opinion ("the younger, the stupider")... but with age, vocabulary increases thousands of times... and interest in highly specialized books and scientific treatises grows—is it not so?
Thousands. No, rather, billions. Well-well. If you compare the first year of life to the last—undoubtedly. If you compare the eleventh to the last—by no means. This isn't even a matter of geometric progression. Rather "by" some amount of words. And hardly by a thousand. As for highly specialized terms from books, I mentioned that in my first post.
My God! Is it possible that during your school years, from the lower to the upper grades, your essays did not attain a new level of expression of your thoughts... and phrases did not become more complex after studying complex-structured sentences... Forgive my impertinence... a question... with what medal did you graduate?
Essays and phrases become more complex not from dull drilling of commas and studying the complex-subordinate type of sentences. They become more complex over time, mainly thanks to simple literature. And also, they depend on one's worldview and state of mind at a given moment in life. Orthography and punctuation are merely tools. Just as buying a bow saw doesn't make you a Moldovan foreman. I finished school without any medals and with a C in chemistry. But I was always quick-witted. I won Olympiads. My intellect probably comes from my father; he is a gold medalist. And so what? Anyone could get a medal by cramming and "grinding" their studies. A crude word, but very fitting for this context. And why? I look at my father, and I see—the medal gave him nothing. If I talk to him about something philosophical or reason through something, he cannot sustain the conversation. Because his mind is unsophisticated, and his gaze is as straight as a sergeant's. And he certainly doesn't earn millions. In principle, he has already outgrown the moment when he could brag about a medal. Partly because it gave him nothing in life. And no one was impressed by it. There you have it. I not only answered the question but also provided food for thought, huh?
How far gone everything is... do you really not see that applied science deals with the use of already formed theories in organizational and engineering practice for the purpose of financial return... while many brilliant specialists remained beyond the horizon and see no new goals for themselves...
Really? And is technical progress not driven by the use of well-known theories? Is it driven by humanities scholars? How do the Japanese program robots? How do programmers write programs? Everything here is built on mathematics.
Poverty of language? Or poverty of thought? Does that mean 10 digits are cooler than billions of words?
Parrying this is simple—is an infinite number of numbers worse than 33 letters? I already said—all of this is a toolkit. And poetry and prose, yes, are limited only by the poverty of language. A simple example is the painstaking search for the right word/rhyme. Language is rich, but not omnipotent.
If you cannot find new sensations, then in order not to become a mathematical robot, it's time for you to drop your calculations and turn to the development of imagination... because after your words I became afraid for your perception of the world... all objects and phenomena can be perceived in thousands of gradations and billions of colors... even asphalt can be described differently... one day it shimmers with reflections in puddles... another day it is strewn with autumn leaves, a third day it reddens from the glow of the sunset... my ideas and impressions even of it are essentially boundless...
Far from boundless. I repeat, everything is limited only by the poverty of language. It has a certain number of words. And they can be used in different ways. But there is not an infinite multitude of them. And I will take the advice not to become a robot into account when I write my new story, thank you. Logic.. What does it matter that you copied an article from Wikipedia? As well as someone's statements? Recently you spoke about the boundlessness of perceptions. Does that mean the definition should not exhaust your idea? Logic is rationalism. Rationalism is mathematics. This is an axiom. And people who know the language but stutter and painfully search for words in conversation—is this not a triumph of irrationality? They cannot construct a sentence, even though they know many words.
...Mathematics is by no means exhausted by formulas. For the umpteenth time, I draw your attention to the fact that it is, first and foremost, rationalism, and you, instead of posting emojis and haphazardly hyperbolizing, would be better off bringing actual arguments in your favor. This is expressed in the fact that I engage in the arts, adore Eastern culture, master the katana and the staff—that is, everything written in the profile and "about us."