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Posts from What skills should Necromancers take when facing Orcs on a very large map?
Hmm... Well, don't say they're not different. What about the lack of retaliation?
Besides, you didn't answer my question:
What if those same goblins, which the shamans use to gain mana, are simply killed right away? What will you do?
Even if the shamans go down first, they'll only have enough mana for about 2 spells. And it's easy to predict that you have Daughters of Heaven in your army – just take a look in the tavern.
Furthermore, you didn't consider that this isn't even the Necromancer's main hero.
Mr_Silence
13 years ago
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I can also create a second hero, split the shamans into separate stacks, intercept your Ravenna, and then your liches are finished.
And imagine if the same goblins, which the shamans use to regenerate mana, are simply killed? What will you do?
I'm just creating a second hero.
Саня Изи
13 years ago
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Theoretically, such a scenario is possible. But firstly, you forget that the Necromancer has "Unholy Word," and you don't. Secondly, it will be quite difficult to intercept him, and it's not certain that the Shamans will go first, rather than the Necromancer simply combining the Liches into one stack, which would end your strategy.
a Necromancer can easily combine Liches into one stack, and your strategy comes to an end.
Ha! Then the Necromancer's strategy will come to an end, because a single-stack Lich is easy to kill. In that replay, the Necromancer only wins because of this.
Саня Изи
13 years ago
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It depends on how many Shamans you have in one stack. If there are only 2-3, they won't have time to do anything, even with Ballistic Protection.
Mr_Silence
13 years ago
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That replay showed large Orc armies, so there should be a lot of Shamans in that situation as well).
Саня Изи
13 years ago
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You're talking about the second hero, right? I assume you'll just take a bunch of shamans, split them up, and while you're doing that, the Necropolis hero will attack you.
Mr_Silence
13 years ago
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If an Orc has logistics, it won't attack.
Саня Изи
13 years ago
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The Necromancer also has logistics. In general, if you prepare carefully for such an attack by a Necromancer, it can be prevented, but most players simply don't consider this possibility, so the element of surprise is important here.
Theoretically, such a scenario is possible. But first, you forget that the Necromancer has "Unholy Word," and you don't. Second, it will be quite difficult to intercept him, and it's not a given that the shamans will go first, and the Necromancer can easily combine the liches into one stack, and your strategy will fail.
Mortulus, it all depends on the skill of the player and who has more experience and is more cunning; they will win. You are talking about tactics for the Necromancer, but I, for example, know tactics for the Necromancer and even against the Darkness, where Chaos or summoning will be even more effective than Darkness (here, neither goblins nor shamans, nor resistance to magic are considered) :). As for interception, try to intercept Argath:D, who runs across half the map in one turn; the Necromancer has nothing to counter, and what's the point of the Orc even fearing the Necromancer, even a weak one with 10 liches and Black Dragon Poison, if it's the late game and we have legions of goblin shamans, and the chieftains will support them. I have never seen an enemy hero go before the chieftains!
I, for example, know tactics against Necromancer and, in general, against the Darkness faction, where Chaos or Summoning can even be more effective than Darkness (here, neither goblins, shamans, nor magic resistance are considered).
And what are these tactics?
Саня Изи
13 years ago
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Well, actually, I think Termi is exaggerating. He is certainly a strong Orc, I won't argue with that, I've even lost to him. But it's interesting, in the game I played against him, I didn't see any special "tactics against Darkness" (well, except for the dwarven artifacts, which are a must-have for such a situation), on the contrary, Darkness was very effective. Termi, if it's not too much trouble, could you share a couple of replays where you effectively counter Darkness?
As for Argat and the "noob with 10 liches," I'm not entirely sure I agree. It will still be difficult to intercept, and regarding the first turn of the warlords, you probably just haven't encountered "sharp mind." And after subduing the warlords, goblins can easily be among the first to fall. And in general, there are many options here, you can choose according to the situation.
Yes, and let's be fair, you probably just haven't encountered this kind of tactic yet; I haven't used it against you personally, but I could have.
Mr_Silence
13 years ago
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A smart Orc won't give up easily; he can't just stand by and watch his armies being destroyed through subjugation. He'll come up with something.
Well, actually, I think Termi is exaggerating. He is, of course, a strong Orc, I won't argue, I even lost to him. But it's interesting, in the game we played, I didn't see any special "tactics against the undead" (well, except for the dwarven artifacts, but that's a must-have for such a situation), on the contrary, the undead were very effective. Termi, if it's not too much trouble, could you share a couple of replays where you effectively counter the undead?
As for Argat and the "noob with 10 liches," I don't quite agree. It will still be difficult to intercept them. As for the first move of the warlords, you probably just haven't encountered "keen mind." And after the warlords are subdued, goblins can easily be among the first to fall. And in general, there are many options here, you can choose depending on the situation.
Yes, and let's be fair, you probably just haven't encountered this tactic yet, I haven't used it against you personally, but I could have.
The game we played isn't the late game that we're talking about, but in that battle, there really wasn't anything special, I didn't have to use any trump cards, everything went easily, and I didn't have any dwarven artifacts! I have replays, and there are many of them (Orc vs. Necromancer is a great combination), why should I show them to you? I'd rather suggest that we play a game, and we'll post the replay here! In fact, many people think, and I probably thought so at first, that there's nothing an Orc can do against a good Necromancer, but that's not true. My experience shows the opposite; the poor Necromancer has nothing left to do but slowly crumble. Many experienced players who play as undead were surprised at the end of the battle! So, if you want to play, I'm not against it!:smile03:
