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#166 6/15/2007 5:36 PM UTC

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I still think that shooting and resistance are questionable advantages for a Barbarian, or at least not long-lasting ones. I agree that a large number is a big plus, but these two skills are unlikely to be very useful, especially in a battle against a hero, rather than against neutral creatures.

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#167 6/16/2007 5:40 AM UTC

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ZYbr;96626

I still think that shooting and resistance are questionable advantages for a Barbarian, or at least not long-lasting ones. I agree that a large number of units is a big plus, but these two skills are unlikely to be very useful, especially in a battle against a hero, rather than against neutral creatures.

Upgraded shooting will be very helpful; it allows you to eliminate weak units in the front ranks. This is a significant advantage. As for the number of units... well, you need to build a formation, and that requires money.

:D

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#168 6/16/2007 11:22 AM UTC

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OptiMAL;96737

Upgraded ranged attack will be very helpful. You need to eliminate weak units in the front rows. This is a significant advantage. As for numbers... well, you need to build up your forces, and that requires money.

I'm talking about the fact that many factions have ranged attacks; it's clear that an upgraded ranged attack is useful, but it's still not a major advantage for the Barbarians, or at least not a very significant or long-lasting one.

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#169 6/16/2007 12:05 PM UTC

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I see the Barbarian (thanks to its ranged attack and combat skills) as a super unit, not as a hero. I don't think ranged attack is a big advantage compared to, say, a Chaos or Haven Mage. But resistance is a different story...

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#170 6/16/2007 12:55 PM UTC

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Pandora;96792

I see the Barbarian (thanks to its ranged attack and combat skills) as a super unit, not as a hero. I don't think ranged attack is a big advantage compared to, say, a Chaos or Haven Mage. But resistance is a different story...

Well, almost all combat heroes reach super unit level by level 15, even those whose initial skill is tactics.

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#171 6/17/2007 7:53 AM UTC

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Pandora;96792

I see the Barbarian, thanks to its ranged attack and combat skills, as a super unit, not as a hero. I don't think ranged attacks are a major advantage compared to, say, a Chaos or Haven Mage. But resistance is a different story...

A super unit could then be any hero. Here's a super mage: D (from Haven)
But still, the Barbarian's resistance and ranged attack will give a Chaos or Haven Mage a good beating. :)

:D

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#172 6/17/2007 8:32 AM UTC

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OptiMAL;96881

A super unit could then be any hero. Here's a super mage:D (from Haven)
But still, the Barbarian's resistance and ranged attack will give the Chaos or Haven mage a good beating.

No, they won't, maybe only against Chaos, but the Haven mage will cast spells on the Barbarian's army, not on the hero.
P.S. It will be fun if Berserk is cast on monsters standing next to the hero (especially if there are 30 or more of them:D) or, at worst, on Cyclops. Against Haven, the Barbarians have little chance, unless their army is ten times larger than Haven's.

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#173 6/17/2007 8:47 AM UTC

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No... a mage, at least, is diverse, but a Barbarian hero is not. He is as simple as three rubles and as unpretentious as a rake. As a simple unit, of course, he is strong... when upgraded, but still just a unit. A super unit.

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#174 6/17/2007 8:55 AM UTC

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Pandora;96896

No... a mage, at least, is versatile, but a Barbarian hero is not. He is as simple as three rubles and as uninspired as a rake. As a simple unit, he is, of course, strong... when upgraded, but still just a unit. A super unit.

A Barbarian should also level up his tactics; otherwise, what's the point? The army is the same with or without him; there are no advantages unless he manages to acquire some magic somewhere.

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#175 6/17/2007 9:06 AM UTC

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By the way, the computer always casts some kind of magic spell. Even if it's just a level 1 spell, it's still there. Or it likes a set of spells like Nature, Chaos, and Life, all at the starting level. It's quite amusing: D That's why I always say that a Barbarian is a lone wolf.

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#176 6/17/2007 9:13 AM UTC

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Barbarians are a force to be reckoned with. A raw and often clumsy force. And therefore, they have plenty of weaknesses.

Barbarian armies should receive bonuses to magic resistance when a Barbarian hero is present; otherwise, for all other factions, the hero is a crucial element, but for Barbarians, it's just another additional unit.

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#177 6/17/2007 9:27 AM UTC

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ZYbr;96907

Barbarians are a force. A crude and often unintelligent force. And therefore, they have plenty of weaknesses.

The Barbarian army should have received bonuses to magic resistance when a Barbarian hero was present; otherwise, for all other factions, the hero is an important element, but for Barbarians, it's just another additional unit.

But you don't have to protect him, unlike the mages! And if you "add" a couple of tactical skills to the Barbarian, then it becomes quite useful (+1 morale). The Barbarian is only unintelligent at the beginning, but later he becomes a very good assistant to the army.

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#178 6/17/2007 9:29 AM UTC

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BASON;96914

But you don't need to protect him, unlike those mages! And if you "add" a couple of tactical skills to the Barbarian, then he becomes quite useful (+1 morale). Barbarians are only useless at the beginning, but later they become a very good assistant to the army.

After that, all heroes are good, and it's very useful for a mage to have Battle as their second skill, so that at least their defense is improved.

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#179 6/17/2007 11:19 AM UTC

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ZYbr;96915

After that, all heroes are good, and it's very useful for a mage to have Battle as their second skill, so that at least their defense is leveled up.

Well, you need to level up to a great extent to have a super mage and a stone warrior:D

:D

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#180 6/17/2007 1:55 PM UTC

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OptiMAL;96946

You need to level up a lot to have a super mage and a stone golem:D

Why go to such extremes?! For example, on XL and L maps, by level 20, my main hero usually has one fully maxed-out magic skill, one at levels 3 or 4, fully maxed-out combat (defense) and resistance, and melee and ranged skills at levels 2 or 3. Nothing extraordinary.

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