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As previously mentioned, the goal of HotA is to move away from all verbal restrictions; all functionality should be implemented programmatically. A significant portion of these restrictions has already been implemented, but some things remain ...

One such unresolved topic is Diplomacy. Many options have been proposed—from tuning numbers to radically changing the functionality. However, the problem with all such ideas is that their effect is difficult to evaluate mentally, as there are few clues in existing tournament experience.

Therefore, an idea arose to create such a clue—to hold a tournament with slightly curtailed Diplomacy. Rampart was chosen as the starting castle, as it has both a top diplomat and a strict examiner—a honored master of sports in athletics.

Rules:

1) Game version - HotA+HDmod+HWrulez (latest versions for all)

2) All games are played as Rampart

3) Diplomacy may be used to join troops of levels 1-5. This rule may change in either direction during the tournament; stay tuned for updates.

(!) in HW_Rulez, you must play without the "HW rules" checkbox checked (!)

4) Tournament format - Olympic bo3.

5) Templates:
- Jebus Cross
- Mini-Nostalgia
- Diamond
- 6lm10a
- Spider
- h3dm1
- mt-Diamond

In the first game, the player who is higher in rating chooses the color and template; the player who is lower in rating chooses the hero.

In the second game, it's the opposite. The template must be different.

In the third game (if necessary), the same-color player chooses a template from the 5 remaining templates. The same-color player starts if they are lower in rating. Color/hero is negotiated; the winner of the negotiation chooses either the color or the hero.

6) Games are played with simultaneous turns. By agreement, they can be played without them. Simultaneous turn deadlines:
- 7 days for Jebus Cross, h3dm1
- 5 days for Diamond, mt-Diamond, 6lm10a, Spider
- 12 days for Mini-Nostalgia

7) Restarts. For mirrored templates - 1 day, for others - 3 days.

8) Timer = 16+8+1 on all templates.

9) Red-rush is allowed on all tournament templates.

Other rules are standard.

Players have the right, by mutual agreement, to make any changes to the rules except for the choice of starting castles.

Miscellaneous:
- This is a fan tournament
- Tournament games go into the seasonal rating by default; they can be played without rating by mutual agreement
- The winner will be awarded something for their avatar (suggestions are welcome).

Registration lasts 2 weeks, the tournament starts on 11.11.2016 (immediately after the 2nd round of the swamp tournament ends)

Registration is closed.

35 people signed up, so there will be 3 qualification pairs for newcomers and a pair of "examiners":

Derbent (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Fill-ua (Blue, Rampart, Ufretin, Ufretin) 6lm10a 121
Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Fill-ua (Red, Rampart, Uland, Uland) Jebus Cross 125

BuTaJIuK (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Sevan_80 (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 136
BuTaJIuK (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Sevan_80 (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 147

DeadShot - calvert

Round of 32 Draw:

socola (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def yarik1987 (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) h3dm1 126
socola (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def yarik1987 (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 125

freesha (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def BuTaJIuK (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 115
freesha (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def BuTaJIuK (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 135

Dandy (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Diabler (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Mini-Nostalgia 211
Diabler (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Dandy (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 124
Diabler (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Dandy (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 137

PROger (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Hi-Tech (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Gurnisson) Jebus Cross 137
Hi-Tech (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def PROger (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 121
PROger (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Hi-Tech (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Lorelei) Diamond 133

BISHOP (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Jubi-Juby (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) 6lm10a 213
Jubi-Juby (Red, Rampart, Riland, Saira) def BISHOP (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 147
BISHOP (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Jubi-Juby (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) h3dm1 145

battanas (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Ivor) def Javdet (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Diamond 133
battanas (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Javdet (Red, Rampart, Mephala, Jeremy) h3dm1 223

ckotuHa (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Pyre (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 133
Pyre (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def ckotuHa (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) h3dm1 136
Pyre (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def ckotuHa (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) 6lm10a 125

tun7gus7 (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Tofsla (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 127
Tofsla (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Ivor) def tun7gus7 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 123
tun7gus7 (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Tofsla (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) h3dm1 141

wowa (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def PaTRioT (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 131
wowa (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def PaTRioT (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 117

R@sIM (Red, Rampart, Mephala, Mephala) def Wyndoc (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 126
R@sIM (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Wyndoc (Blue, Rampart, Yanova, Tiva) 6lm10a 135

PutinKING (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 142
Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def PutinKING (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Mini-Nostalgia 137
Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Orrin) def PutinKING (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Spider 124

=Lizard= (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def KobRa_RR (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Spider 242
=Lizard= (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def KobRa_RR (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 137

wariator (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Deadshot (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 132
Deadshot (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Craig Heg) def wariator (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 144
wariator (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Deadshot (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Diamond 223

Rep1sk (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Dark30 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 132

Replacement korvet => yarik1987
yarik1987 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def u2noob (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mirror Diamond 112
yarik1987 (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def u2noob (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Diamond 135

Player Rep1sk is disqualified; Dandy advances to the round of 16 instead

Replacement flate => BuTaJIuK

BuTaJIuK (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Toganash (Red, Rampart, Mephala, Enain) Jebus Cross 133
BuTaJIuK (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Toganash (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 142

Round of 32 deadline - 5 weeks, i.e., until 16.12.2016
For players going through qualification, the round deadline is individual—I'll be flexible if needed, but please try not to drag it out.

Round of 16 Draw:

PROger (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Beatrice) Mini-Nostalgia 213
PROger (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) h3dm1 224

wowa (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def yarik1987 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 124
wowa (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Jeremy) def yarik1987 (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Diamond 124

Diabler (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def BISHOP (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) h3dm1 126
BISHOP (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Diabler (Red, Rampart, Riland, Miriam) Jebus Cross 125
Diabler (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def BISHOP (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Mini-Nostalgia 141

socola (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def R@sIM (Red, Rampart, Mephala, Mephala) 6lm10a 131
socola (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def R@sIM (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) h3dm1 147

freesha (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Rep1sk (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 123
freesha (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Ivor) def Dandy (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 144

battanas (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def BuTaJIuK (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 116
battanas (Blue, Rampart,Kyre,Kyre ) def BuTaJIuK(Red, Rampart,Riland ,Gunnar ) mini nostalgia - 211

wariator (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Pyre (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) 6lm10a 133

tun7gus7 (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def =Lizard= (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 114
tun7gus7 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def =Lizard= (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Diamond 114

Round of 16 deadline - until 13.01.2017

Quarter-finals Draw:

socola (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def wariator (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Saira) h3dm1 145
socola (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Dessa) def wariator (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) 6lm10a 144

wowa (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def tun7gus7 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Mini-Nostalgia 134
tun7gus7 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def wowa (Red, Rampart, Riland, Labeta) Jebus Cross 134
tun7gus7 (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def wowa (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 124

battanas (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Diabler (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Ivor) Jebus Cross 131
Diabler (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def battanas (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Jeremy) Diamond 135

freesha (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Jeremy) def PROger (Red, Rampart, Riland, Mephala) Jebus Cross 137
PROger (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def freesha (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Ivor) h3dm1 145
PROger (Blue, Rampart, Mephala, Mephala) def freesha (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Mini-Nostalgia 215

Quarter-finals deadline - until 10.02.2017

Semi-finals Draw:

tun7gus7 (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def PROger (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 125
tun7gus7 (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def PROger (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 114

Diabler (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def socola (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 217
Diabler (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def socola (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Diamond 132

Semi-finals deadline - until 28.03.2017

Final:

Diabler vs tun7gus7

Final deadline - until 25.04.2017
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Bishop (20:41:12 28/11/2016)
Are you still going to play today?

Jubi-Juby (20:43:06 28/11/2016)
Are you giving up?

Bishop (20:43:20 28/11/2016)
If we're playing the 4th game, then yes.

Jubi-Juby (20:43:39 28/11/2016)
Lol) No. I'm very tired of playing with you today.

Bishop (20:43:48 28/11/2016)
Then let's play.

Jubi-Juby (20:43:54 28/11/2016)
Okay.

Bishop (21:04:28 28/11/2016)
Crash.

Jubi-Juby (21:04:53 28/11/2016)
That's strange.)))

Bishop (21:05:16 28/11/2016)
I agree.

Jubi-Juby (21:05:26 28/11/2016)
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Bishop (21:26:26 28/11/2016)
I'm asking for the last time.

Bishop (21:26:32 28/11/2016)
Are we playing the 4th game?

Bishop (21:26:40 28/11/2016)
The 4th game.

Jubi-Juby (21:27:58 28/11/2016)
Lol) Of course, we will. But not today.

Bishop (21:29:01 28/11/2016)
Okay.

Bishop (21:29:21 28/11/2016)
Then, since then, you owe me a rematch on 131.

Bishop (21:29:38 28/11/2016)
I'm tired of playing.

Bishop (21:29:43 28/11/2016)
Sorry.

Jubi-Juby (21:35:16 28/11/2016)
And if I had agreed to play the fourth game today, what would have happened?

Bishop (21:58:27 28/11/2016)
We would have played the fourth game
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They simply put an end to the argument.
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They just cut off the argument abruptly.
Kostya has been complaining a lot lately :D
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Yeah...

I read the correspondence, and it seems that both sides are equally at fault. It's impossible to determine who is guilty and who is innocent, especially since both had mitigating circumstances.

Therefore, the 3rd game is annulled and will be replayed on the same map with the same colors/heroes/starting positions.
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Dear tournament organizer, please explain to me why I should replay a game in which I completely crushed my opponent? He had absolutely no chance of winning! Is it because you forgot to initially state the rules about Red Rush in the tournament thread? Or is it because I insulted my opponent on my stream by calling him a name that reflects how he behaves in the game towards me?
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And thanks to a replay, the argument will flare up with new intensity! Hooray, comrades! )))

:smile17: let's attack :smile25:
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On his 143rd turn, my opponent concedes, as he has no theoretical chance of winning, claiming that I violated the red rush rule on my 131st turn. However, the red rush rule is not in effect in this tournament, and any violation of this rule should be reported immediately, not after 10 game days. Thank you for the game!

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Since the tournament organizer is silent, perhaps he is considering the situation. I propose two possible scenarios. 1) The Bishop confirms my victory in the third game on Jebel, and we begin playing the fourth and decisive game. 2) I withdraw from the tournament, as I do not wish to participate in this charade of "forgetting" the H&W rules, "forgetting" clarifications regarding the red rush rule, and so on. I entered this tournament to play Heroes, not to be a circus guinea pig. I have no intention of replaying the games I have already won! P.S. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win!"
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Battle Report Discarded
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Риланд / Ryland Start Hero Риланд / Ryland
Десса / Dessa Main Hero Десса / Dessa
Победа / Def Победа / Def
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Кайри / Kyrre Start Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Кайри / Kyrre Main Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Map Template
Jebus Cross
Game Length
143 days
Game Date
11/28/2016
Reported
12/2/2016 11:23 AM

Discarded by organizer on 12/6/2016 9:00 AM

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Because you initially forgot to specify the rules about Red Rush in the tournament topic?
Because it was originally stated in the first post:
Wicc
The rest of the rules are standard.

Standard rules are outlined HERE

And there is a clause:
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2.1.1. On all templates, except for XL+U size and mirrored templates, red-rush is prohibited:

It's also the same in SoD.

Since nothing contrary was specified in the tournament topic, we follow this wording.

Yesterday I made an amendment to the tournament rules:
Wicc
9) Red rush is allowed on all tournament templates.

So now you can red rush. But your match was played according to the original rules.
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Wicc

Yesterday, I made a correction to the tournament rules:
So now, rushing is allowed. But your match was played according to the original rules.
It's not my place to say, but I don't understand why the rules are being changed during the tournament. I would even say in the middle of a round.
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Alex_nv - draw - Vovan112013 летос 236

alex_nv wrote: Наконец то нормальная игра с открытием половины карты.
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Actually, it's long overdue to make changes to the "standard rules" themselves. When bidding for the redrash color, it should be allowed everywhere; otherwise, the whole point of this bidding is lost.

Regarding the topic: I don't want to take sides, but formally, Jubi is wrong, and a replay is still a lenient solution. In my time, I received replays, and even technical defeats, for much less, and it was very frustrating. But I remember that Preds said: why sign up for tournaments if you don't agree with the rules? Play fun games according to the rules that you agree on with your opponent.
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[/QUOTE]Added 6 minutes later
[/U]Since the tournament organizer is silent, he is probably in thought. I suggest two possible scenarios.
1) Bishop confirms my victory in the third game on Jebb, and we start playing the fourth decisive game.
2) I withdraw from the tournament because I do not want to participate in the "checkbox" shenanigans of the HW rules, "forgetting" clarifications regarding the red rush rule, and so on. I signed up for this tournament to play Heroes, not to act as a circus guinea pig. I am not going to replay the games I won!
P.S. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win!"[/QUOTE]


I do not confirm the defeat because I believe that your violation of the rules had a cardinal impact on the subsequent gameplay.

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Thank you for the game!
I played the entire game without roads and without control; I got wings in the fifth week and Chaos Knights in the sixth week. Thank you for the game!
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In reality, it's high time to make changes to the "standard rules" themselves. When bidding for colors, Redraw should be allowed everywhere; otherwise, the whole point of this bidding is lost.

Regarding the topic: I don't want to take either side, but formally, Jubi is wrong, and a replay is still a lenient solution. Back in the day, I received replays, and even technical defeats, for much less, and I was very upset. But I remember that Preds said at the time: why sign up for Tournaments if you don't agree with the rules? Play fun games according to the rules that you agree on with your opponent.
1) An opponent does not have the right to play 10 turns without informing the opponent if they believe that the opponent has violated the rules.
2) An opponent does not have the right to say "I surrender if we start a new game now" and then say "I won, you have a technical defeat." Surrendering after 10 turns is impossible if you won by technical defeat against the opponent 10 turns ago (you have already won, so how can you surrender?), and if a player offers to surrender, it means that they are playing with the understanding that the opponent is defeating them, which excludes the possibility of a technical defeat – this is iron logic, and there can be no other interpretations.

Bishop offered to surrender and only AFTER that declared a technical defeat; this is recorded. In this regard, the question is, how can Bishop be right in this situation, and Jubi be wrong? Only in the case of a lack of logic or in the case of bias.

Here is real food for thought for the judges (in addition to the logically introduced cancellation of Redraw – otherwise, why have the bidding for colors at all) – to punish for mutually exclusive statements, for hypocrisy, and for being cunning

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