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As previously mentioned, the goal of HotA is to move away from all verbal restrictions; all functionality should be implemented programmatically. A significant portion of these restrictions has already been implemented, but some things remain ...

One such unresolved topic is Diplomacy. Many options have been proposed—from tuning numbers to radically changing the functionality. However, the problem with all such ideas is that their effect is difficult to evaluate mentally, as there are few clues in existing tournament experience.

Therefore, an idea arose to create such a clue—to hold a tournament with slightly curtailed Diplomacy. Rampart was chosen as the starting castle, as it has both a top diplomat and a strict examiner—a honored master of sports in athletics.

Rules:

1) Game version - HotA+HDmod+HWrulez (latest versions for all)

2) All games are played as Rampart

3) Diplomacy may be used to join troops of levels 1-5. This rule may change in either direction during the tournament; stay tuned for updates.

(!) in HW_Rulez, you must play without the "HW rules" checkbox checked (!)

4) Tournament format - Olympic bo3.

5) Templates:
- Jebus Cross
- Mini-Nostalgia
- Diamond
- 6lm10a
- Spider
- h3dm1
- mt-Diamond

In the first game, the player who is higher in rating chooses the color and template; the player who is lower in rating chooses the hero.

In the second game, it's the opposite. The template must be different.

In the third game (if necessary), the same-color player chooses a template from the 5 remaining templates. The same-color player starts if they are lower in rating. Color/hero is negotiated; the winner of the negotiation chooses either the color or the hero.

6) Games are played with simultaneous turns. By agreement, they can be played without them. Simultaneous turn deadlines:
- 7 days for Jebus Cross, h3dm1
- 5 days for Diamond, mt-Diamond, 6lm10a, Spider
- 12 days for Mini-Nostalgia

7) Restarts. For mirrored templates - 1 day, for others - 3 days.

8) Timer = 16+8+1 on all templates.

9) Red-rush is allowed on all tournament templates.

Other rules are standard.

Players have the right, by mutual agreement, to make any changes to the rules except for the choice of starting castles.

Miscellaneous:
- This is a fan tournament
- Tournament games go into the seasonal rating by default; they can be played without rating by mutual agreement
- The winner will be awarded something for their avatar (suggestions are welcome).

Registration lasts 2 weeks, the tournament starts on 11.11.2016 (immediately after the 2nd round of the swamp tournament ends)

Registration is closed.

35 people signed up, so there will be 3 qualification pairs for newcomers and a pair of "examiners":

Derbent (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Fill-ua (Blue, Rampart, Ufretin, Ufretin) 6lm10a 121
Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Fill-ua (Red, Rampart, Uland, Uland) Jebus Cross 125

BuTaJIuK (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Sevan_80 (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 136
BuTaJIuK (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Sevan_80 (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 147

DeadShot - calvert

Round of 32 Draw:

socola (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def yarik1987 (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) h3dm1 126
socola (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def yarik1987 (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 125

freesha (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def BuTaJIuK (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 115
freesha (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def BuTaJIuK (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 135

Dandy (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Diabler (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Mini-Nostalgia 211
Diabler (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Dandy (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 124
Diabler (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Dandy (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 137

PROger (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Hi-Tech (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Gurnisson) Jebus Cross 137
Hi-Tech (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def PROger (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 121
PROger (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Hi-Tech (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Lorelei) Diamond 133

BISHOP (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Jubi-Juby (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) 6lm10a 213
Jubi-Juby (Red, Rampart, Riland, Saira) def BISHOP (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 147
BISHOP (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Jubi-Juby (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) h3dm1 145

battanas (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Ivor) def Javdet (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Diamond 133
battanas (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Javdet (Red, Rampart, Mephala, Jeremy) h3dm1 223

ckotuHa (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Pyre (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 133
Pyre (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def ckotuHa (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) h3dm1 136
Pyre (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def ckotuHa (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) 6lm10a 125

tun7gus7 (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Tofsla (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 127
Tofsla (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Ivor) def tun7gus7 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 123
tun7gus7 (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Tofsla (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) h3dm1 141

wowa (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def PaTRioT (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 131
wowa (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def PaTRioT (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 117

R@sIM (Red, Rampart, Mephala, Mephala) def Wyndoc (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 126
R@sIM (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Wyndoc (Blue, Rampart, Yanova, Tiva) 6lm10a 135

PutinKING (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 142
Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def PutinKING (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Mini-Nostalgia 137
Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Orrin) def PutinKING (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Spider 124

=Lizard= (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def KobRa_RR (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Spider 242
=Lizard= (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def KobRa_RR (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 137

wariator (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Deadshot (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 132
Deadshot (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Craig Heg) def wariator (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 144
wariator (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Deadshot (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Diamond 223

Rep1sk (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Dark30 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 132

Replacement korvet => yarik1987
yarik1987 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def u2noob (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mirror Diamond 112
yarik1987 (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def u2noob (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Diamond 135

Player Rep1sk is disqualified; Dandy advances to the round of 16 instead

Replacement flate => BuTaJIuK

BuTaJIuK (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Toganash (Red, Rampart, Mephala, Enain) Jebus Cross 133
BuTaJIuK (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Toganash (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 142

Round of 32 deadline - 5 weeks, i.e., until 16.12.2016
For players going through qualification, the round deadline is individual—I'll be flexible if needed, but please try not to drag it out.

Round of 16 Draw:

PROger (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Beatrice) Mini-Nostalgia 213
PROger (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) h3dm1 224

wowa (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def yarik1987 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 124
wowa (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Jeremy) def yarik1987 (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Diamond 124

Diabler (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def BISHOP (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) h3dm1 126
BISHOP (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Diabler (Red, Rampart, Riland, Miriam) Jebus Cross 125
Diabler (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def BISHOP (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Mini-Nostalgia 141

socola (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def R@sIM (Red, Rampart, Mephala, Mephala) 6lm10a 131
socola (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def R@sIM (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) h3dm1 147

freesha (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Rep1sk (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 123
freesha (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Ivor) def Dandy (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 144

battanas (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def BuTaJIuK (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 116
battanas (Blue, Rampart,Kyre,Kyre ) def BuTaJIuK(Red, Rampart,Riland ,Gunnar ) mini nostalgia - 211

wariator (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Pyre (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) 6lm10a 133

tun7gus7 (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def =Lizard= (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 114
tun7gus7 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def =Lizard= (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Diamond 114

Round of 16 deadline - until 13.01.2017

Quarter-finals Draw:

socola (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def wariator (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Saira) h3dm1 145
socola (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Dessa) def wariator (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) 6lm10a 144

wowa (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def tun7gus7 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Mini-Nostalgia 134
tun7gus7 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def wowa (Red, Rampart, Riland, Labeta) Jebus Cross 134
tun7gus7 (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def wowa (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 124

battanas (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Diabler (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Ivor) Jebus Cross 131
Diabler (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def battanas (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Jeremy) Diamond 135

freesha (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Jeremy) def PROger (Red, Rampart, Riland, Mephala) Jebus Cross 137
PROger (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def freesha (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Ivor) h3dm1 145
PROger (Blue, Rampart, Mephala, Mephala) def freesha (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Mini-Nostalgia 215

Quarter-finals deadline - until 10.02.2017

Semi-finals Draw:

tun7gus7 (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def PROger (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 125
tun7gus7 (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def PROger (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 114

Diabler (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def socola (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 217
Diabler (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def socola (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Diamond 132

Semi-finals deadline - until 28.03.2017

Final:

Diabler vs tun7gus7

Final deadline - until 25.04.2017
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The game yielded decent rewards; I received 4 Unicorn Nests, which, by the second week, turned into a respectable army. I also got a Consul 3 and a few other creatures. Our first clash occurred when Gurnisson attacked me as I was heading towards the center, around turn 123. We fought for a long time and ended up with almost nothing left. I got lucky at the end of the battle; when the opponent had 3 Unicorns left and I had 2, and neither of us had any mana or Ballistae, I got 4 consecutive Blind spells!!! After that, Gurnisson retreated, and I moved to the center but didn't find anything worth taking. Then, Gurnisson attacked again, and I had to pay him off. Fearing his Ballista, I decided not to go into the center yet, but instead, I cleared out my resource node and waited for more Unicorns to spawn. The final battle took place near the Shackle (on the opponent's side), and as a result of exchanging blows with Ballistae, I managed to kill Gurnisson. On the next turn, he surrendered.

Thank you for the game!
A couple of silly moves and a bit of bad luck in one of the battles decided the outcome against me, although I'm to blame for losing!
Thank you for the game.
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Thank you for the game!

Thanks for the game.
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Stupid throw. I took the Dungeon and went to kill his heroes. Despite the fact that I had a ring +1 to attack and defense and a shield +4. I was killing him with my hero using a ballista, albeit level 1, but with stats 5 5 and 12 Grands. He had 15 Evil Eyes, which just wouldn't die under 100 Troglodytes, 10 Harpies, and 30 Gnoll Chieftains. I died with no chance. Got upset and surrendered.

Thanks for the game.
Battle Report Accepted
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Риланд / Ryland Start Hero Риланд / Ryland
Риланд / Ryland Main Hero Риланд / Ryland
Поражение / Lose Поражение / Lose
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Кайри / Kyrre Start Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Кайри / Kyrre Main Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Map Template
Mini-Nostalgia
Game Length
115 days
Game Date
11/27/2016
Reported
12/1/2016 5:26 AM
Rating Impact Archived
BuTaJIuK 1527 1506 -21 ↓
Freeman 1353 1374 +21 ↑
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 12/1/2016 5:34 AM

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Technical defeat. Another pointless loss. I didn't know you couldn't jump over the Gate of Oblivion ((.

Thanks for the game.
Battle Report Accepted
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Риланд / Ryland Start Hero Риланд / Ryland
Риланд / Ryland Main Hero Риланд / Ryland
Поражение / Lose Поражение / Lose
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Кайри / Kyrre Start Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Кайри / Kyrre Main Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Map Template
Jebus Cross
Game Length
135 days
Game Date
12/1/2016
Reported
12/1/2016 5:30 AM
Rating Impact Archived
BuTaJIuK 1505 1485 -20 ↓
Freeman 1375 1395 +20 ↑
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 12/1/2016 5:40 AM

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A stupid throw. I captured the Dungeon and went to kill his heroes. Despite the fact that I had a ring +1 to attack and defense and a shield +4. I killed his hero with a ballista, though 1st level but with parameters 5 5 and 12 Grands. He had 15 Evil Eyes, which just wouldn't die under 100 Troglodytes, 10 Harpies, and 30 Gnoll with a Cu. I died without a chance. Got upset and surrendered.

Thanks for the game.
Thanks for the game.
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Technical defeat. Another stupid loss. I didn't know you couldn't jump over a Gate of Oblivion ((.

Thanks for the game.
We scouted everything, and the artifact gave 2 consumables for 6 angels and an item for the Elves. On turn 121, I break the first consumable, on turn 122, the second, and move towards turn 124. Oops, I don't see anything in the center, so I take a couple of objects and head towards the more appealing part of the center. I see a noob, and on the next turn, I watch as the opponent's main unit breaks the Gate of Oblivion on 131. I attack, but he buys himself out and runs around the center again. I attack again, and the situation repeats. Then it dawns on me that he took the second central town before breaking the Gate of Oblivion. I ask the opponent, and it turns out that he used a Dimension Door spell to avoid breaking the Gate of Oblivion because he didn't have expert terrain and the losses would have been incompatible with life.
Then, a Google search, reading the rules, and a technical defeat, although with all other things being equal, he would have just rushed with units and stats. The opponent's only hope was magic, but the cloak negated all his efforts.
Thanks for the game.
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Played decently, but I kept noticing that my opponent had a smaller army than even the AI. I initially thought he was hiding something, but on turn 121, he surrendered.
Thanks for the game!
Battle Report Accepted
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Кайри / Kyrre Start Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Кайри / Kyrre Main Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Победа / Def Победа / Def
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Риланд / Ryland Start Hero Риланд / Ryland
Риланд / Ryland Main Hero Риланд / Ryland
Map Template
Mini-Nostalgia
Game Length
121 days
Game Date
12/1/2016
Reported
12/1/2016 8:18 AM
Rating Impact Archived
Hi-Tech 1403 1421 +18 ↑
PROger 1477 1459 -18 ↓
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 12/1/2016 8:23 AM

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Played well, but I kept noticing that my opponent had fewer troops than even the AI. I initially thought he was hiding them, but on turn 121, he surrendered.
Thanks for the game!

There were no restarts left, so I had to play with what I had. The initial plan was to quickly capture Inferno and transition to demons. There were no plans to build unicorns, so I started by upgrading centaurs for faster movement. But the problem was that the wood mine was four days away in a circle, and there was very little wood. Plus, AI players kept appearing from everywhere, and there was nothing to defend with without built-up elves. In general, I think the plan was good (to use the troops joined by Rylando to attack), but I didn't get lucky with the setup.

Thanks for the game!
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Dear tournament participants! If you see that an opponent has violated any rules, immediately point it out to them. If you see a violation but remain silent, and then start complaining at the end of the game, you are not acting appropriately, and you should not do that. I will interpret such episodes as the player's consent to the opponent's violation of the rules. Of course, this does not apply to violations that were discovered after the game by reviewing the save files. Taking this opportunity, here are the changes to the rules: Red rush is allowed on all tournament templates. This change applies to new matches.
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Kobra and I are on save 234 of the first game. And it's still unclear how things will go. We've already played for over 26 hours of real time. I doubt we'll finish in time. I strongly request that you no longer include Spider in Heroes of Might and Magic tournaments, at least until there's a rework.
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Cobra and I have a save from the first game at 234. And it's still unclear. We've already played for over 26 hours of real time. I doubt we'll finish in time. I urge you not to include Spider in HotA tournaments anymore, at least until there's a revamp.
I assume the problem isn't Spider... but rather the fierce competition between equally matched opponents. Bishop and Jubi played h3dm1 up to 227, and it was still unclear.
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Battle Report Accepted
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Риланд / Ryland Start Hero Риланд / Ryland
Риланд / Ryland Main Hero Риланд / Ryland
Победа / Def Победа / Def
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Кайри / Kyrre Start Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Кайри / Kyrre Main Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Map Template
Jebus Cross
Game Length
124 days
Game Date
12/1/2016
Reported
12/1/2016 2:42 PM
Rating Impact Archived
Diabler 1651 1668 +17 ↑
Dandy 1722 1705 -17 ↓
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 12/1/2016 4:58 PM

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Thanks for the game.
Battle Report Accepted
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Риланд / Ryland Start Hero Риланд / Ryland
Риланд / Ryland Main Hero Риланд / Ryland
Победа / Def Победа / Def
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Кайри / Kyrre Start Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Кайри / Kyrre Main Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Map Template
8xm12a
Game Length
137 days
Game Date
12/1/2016
Reported
12/1/2016 2:43 PM
Rating Impact Archived
Diabler 1669 1685 +16 ↑
Dandy 1704 1688 -16 ↓
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 12/1/2016 4:59 PM

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I assume the issue isn't with Spider... but with the intense competition between equally matched opponents :)

Bishop and Jubi played h3dm1 to round 227, and it was still unclear who would win.
No, it's definitely about Spider without any modifications; it's obvious...
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