How can we save the "Heroes" theme? — The unified universe of Might and Magic.

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#1 6/4/2007 5:50 PM UTC

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It's no secret that our forum is transforming from a "Heroes" forum into a general "off-topic" forum. While I don't mind off-topic discussions in general, I don't think it's the right direction. But it seems this process is inevitable. What's even more regrettable is that many "veterans" of the forum, specifically those who were active in the "Heroes" section, are becoming less active. This includes Celt, Sergh, Rean, Ann, and many others. These people have been on the forum for a long time, much longer than many others. Now, they only appear occasionally, and even that is rare. Something needs to be done about this.
What are your CONCRETE suggestions for preserving the "Heroes" theme? Please keep this thread free of off-topic discussions and arguments – any such behavior will be strictly moderated.

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#2 6/4/2007 6:10 PM UTC

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There are two options:
1. Make me a super moderator.
2. Create a subsite offtop.heroesworld.ru in the form of a forum, where all non-themed sections (which are not directly or indirectly related to Heroes and M&M and which are not work-related) and the mini-chat will be moved. All off-topic posts on the forum will be deleted, and this will be strictly monitored, unless the off-topic post is tagged with [off]. Introduce a corresponding item in the rules and, instead of the mini-chat at the top of the page, add a link (with a comment) to offtop.heroesworld.ru.

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#3 6/4/2007 6:18 PM UTC

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In general, increasing the number of coordinators, moderators, and super-moderators is not the solution. There are already enough of them. One possible solution could be to expand their authority to cover all sections. However, this would only lead to disputes and conflicts within the administration. The idea of dividing the forum into two parts is only a solution to some of the problems. What principle will be used to determine what constitutes spam? What will be done with related topics? (Allods, Malgrimia, etc.) But overall, dividing the forum into two parts could clear the Heroes-related topics of all sorts of clutter, arguments, and other irrelevant content.

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#4 6/4/2007 6:19 PM UTC

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On the off-topic domain, you can create a section called "Other Games".

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#5 6/4/2007 6:23 PM UTC

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Could we create two sections: "Other Games" in the off-topic section and "Related Games" in the Heroes section? But, it seems that only splitting the forum in two will actually clean it up.

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#6 6/4/2007 6:26 PM UTC

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Then, perhaps, the administration should pay attention to this issue.

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#7 6/4/2007 7:12 PM UTC

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The problem is that many people recognize the need for change. But how and what to change is still unclear. That's why I started this thread. I'm not calling for immediate action, but we can't just sit back and do nothing. Although, it seems that few people are interested in the fate of the forum.

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#8 6/4/2007 7:23 PM UTC

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You know, the topic you're discussing – it's inevitable... heroes get old, people don't have enough time for them... young people are more interested in shooters and the like... adults have probably grown up and have their own problems... How to solve this? And indeed, how?? You can't reinvent the wheel, you can't just create new heroes... although that's an idea... maybe integrate some kind of "Heroes" game (quiz) into the forum. Or something else... a revolution for the forum, or rather a serious reorganization... although why change something that's already good... but it's worth considering.

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#9 6/4/2007 7:38 PM UTC

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BotINKi;94273

You know, the topic you're discussing – it's inevitable... the heroes are getting old, people don't have enough time for them... the younger generation is more interested in shooters and the like...

Heresy.:smile42: I'm talking about the younger generation.

And splitting the forum... yes, that's a possible option, but there will be fewer people. Only true Heroes fans will remain. Well, that would be for the better. Although, you could just leave everything as it is and simply participate more in the Heroes-related topics.
Sooner or later, it will all be decided.
Perhaps, even on its own.

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#10 6/4/2007 7:49 PM UTC

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BotINKi;94273

You know, the topic you're discussing is inevitable... heroes get old, people don't have enough time for them... young people are more interested in shooters and the like... adults have probably grown up and have their own problems...

How to solve this? And how, really?? You can't reinvent the wheel, you can't create new heroes... although that's an idea... maybe integrate some kind of hero-themed game (quiz) into the forum.
Or something else... a forum revolution, or rather a major reorganization... although why change something that's already good... but it's worth considering...

So, you're saying that heroes have no future?
And in general, if you create an off-topic heroes section, everyone will go there until Heroes 6 comes out, and after that, when it's no longer new, everyone will go back again.

I think creating an off-topic heroes section is a bad idea (it just won't be different from many free and semi-free themed forums).

I think the solution is to remove the "flood" section and allow people to chat freely only on hero-related topics, and in the mini-chat, you can chat on ANY topic (it's simply created for that).

And there's nothing wrong with people leaving (you just have to accept it). People grow up and don't have time for heroes anymore, and new people come in their place (Alexey, count how many people have come and how many have left, and you'll stop panicking about it)

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#11 6/4/2007 7:53 PM UTC

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If the community enjoys off-topic discussions, it means they find it appealing. Why isn't there as much enthusiasm for topics related to the game? Because there's practically nothing new to discuss. This is just my personal opinion. Spending a couple of hours reading about tactics for the Fortress faction (for example) isn't interesting to me. But how can we make it all more engaging? I think that's a great question, and there's no definitive answer. We need to come up with something that will interest people and eliminate the need to read ten pages. As for off-topic discussions, I'm sure they shouldn't be banned. This is purely for ethical reasons, because if someone wants to discuss the game, we need to make people interested in it, rather than deprive them of the opportunity to write about anything else.

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#12 6/4/2007 8:01 PM UTC

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I have a clear answer: The forum needs to be divided, as I already said. Then, there will be a basis for more strictly monitoring the flood and off-topic discussions in the thematic forum ("have you forgotten that there is a subdomain for this?"), and then the problem of flooding in the thematic section will subside, and there will be an opportunity to develop the forum. There is new content – even if not from the brand owners. WoG (which needs to be developed) with its upcoming new patch and new cities, TE and REKVISIT (whose sections need to be opened), Equilibris, the M&M section, and so on. In conditions of total reduction of flooding, it will be easy to develop all of the above and more on the thematic forum, as never before. And then the second add-on for the fifth game will be released.

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and in general, if you create an off-topic Heroes forum, everyone will go there until Heroes 6 is released, and after that, when it is released, everyone will go there again.

Nonsense. See previous posts.

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#13 6/4/2007 8:07 PM UTC

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There is one "BUT" – it's more convenient to browse a forum where both off-topic discussions and on-topic conversations are mixed, rather than having a separate section for "off-topic users" and another for "serious discussions." This could play a crucial role in the forum's future.

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#14 6/4/2007 8:09 PM UTC

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There is one "BUT" - it's more convenient to browse a forum where there's both off-topic chatter and on-topic discussions, rather than having "Off-topic users to the left, Heroes to the right." This could play a decisive role in the forum's fate.

+1!!! I'm afraid this might have a fatal impact on the forum's fate...

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#15 6/4/2007 8:12 PM UTC

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Moreover, the portal lacks development in topics related to mapmaking. Even for tournaments, maps are taken either from the standard ones or from other portals. The work of mapmakers needs to be fostered. And the forum search also contributes to the appearance of duplicate topics. More than half of the links lead to topics from the general discussion section. And then the moderators write: such a topic already exists. Dividing the forum is one way to simplify things for everyone. You say that a separate forum for off-topic "Heroes" discussions won't be any different from other forums with free themes. And that's true. And all of this makes our forum just like any other forum with free themes. "Heroes" occupy a smaller part. That's why we need to save the "Heroes" theme before it completely disappears.

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