Discussion of third-tier monsters. — General

Zybr

5/29/2007 6:38 PM UTC

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The Djinn is the main striking force of the Haven faction. It is the best unit in the game, and no one can defeat it.

However, I don't like the Djinn at all. Of course, it has powerful spells, but without them, it's quite weak. It rarely helps against a hero, and when it comes to defeating enemy armies... well, it's difficult for it to fight against, for example, the Sylvan faction, and even more so against Chaos.
The strongest and most useful unit is the Vampire. It's a pity that the alternative to them is the Venom, which is also a good unit, but it can't compare to Vampires.
Although, to be honest, I don't like Vampires, but... they are strong, and when there are many of them... :D

Пандора

6/1/2007 11:52 AM UTC

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I don't really like the Djinn, of course, his spells are powerful, but without them, he's quite weak. He rarely proves useful against a hero, and when it comes to defeating enemy armies... well, he struggles, especially against, for example, Nature creatures or Chaos.

He's actually perfect against Chaos. And Nature won't put up much resistance either. By the way, don't forget about illusions... In the end, he can use all his abilities for that.

And one more thing... there's no worthy replacement for the Djinn. Not only is he the best of the 3rd-tier creatures, but there's also no decent alternative for him in the castle! Nagas vs. Djinns? Does anyone doubt it?...

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OptiMAL

6/1/2007 12:44 PM UTC

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Nagas vs. Djinns?! Does anyone doubt?...

I doubt it. Because in 3.51, Djinns were nerfed, and Nagas were buffed. Nagas now beat EVERYONE around them without retaliation. Their growth rate is 4. Djinns have a growth rate of 5, and their bolt attack deals only 12 hit points of damage. Conclusion: doubts EXIST.

:D

Budda

6/1/2007 12:53 PM UTC

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If you don't recognize me as a vampire, I'll suck your blood!

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Пандора

6/1/2007 6:50 PM UTC

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I doubt it. Because in 3.51, they weakened the Djinns and strengthened the Nagas. Now, Nagas beat EVERYONE around them without retaliation. Their growth rate is 4. Djinns have a growth rate of 5, and their bolt attack deals only 12 hit points of damage. Conclusion: doubts EXIST.

Using Djinns just for their bolt attack... is stupid. They have great potential, and it needs to be used wisely. If you know how and against whom. And Nagas are just cannon fodder. Simple hacking and slashing doesn't impress me anymore...

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LeSHiJ-MaX

6/2/2007 11:26 AM UTC

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Using Djinns just for their spells is pointless. They have great potential, and it should be used wisely. If you know how and against whom. And Nagas are just cannon fodder. Simple hack-and-slash doesn't impress me anymore...

In version 3.51, Djinns were nerfed, but with their numbers – more than 25 in one slot – they can cast a general slow spell and something else that affects everyone.

С самого начала позаботься о своем месте в жизни, чтобы не уподобиться маятнику. /Херберт. Ф./
Клан: "Смертельный Альянс" - "Mortal Alliance"

Пандора

6/2/2007 11:45 AM UTC

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I'm already used to the regular version, and I'm evaluating it based on that. If I have some time, I might take a closer look at Equilibrium. But Djinns can't cast slowing spells... they couldn't.

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LeSHiJ-MaX

6/2/2007 12:08 PM UTC

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I'm used to the regular version now, and I'm evaluating it based on that. If I have time... I might take a closer look at Equilibris. But genies can't cast slow... they couldn't.

Everything is correct. It's just that the balance in Equilibris has been improved. There's one thing I don't like: Life is SOMETHING (even though Necromancers have been weakened, and they've also been given a life protection).

С самого начала позаботься о своем месте в жизни, чтобы не уподобиться маятнику. /Херберт. Ф./
Клан: "Смертельный Альянс" - "Mortal Alliance"

Пандора

6/2/2007 3:22 PM UTC

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That's correct. They just improved the balance in Equilibris. There's one thing I don't like there: Life is EVERYTHING (even though they weakened the Necropolis and added a life protection for them).

Now I understand why Optimal noticed it :D I don't know... I played it a little... but I didn't like it. Maybe it's just not familiar, maybe I'm a traditionalist?

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LeSHiJ-MaX

6/2/2007 3:45 PM UTC

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Now I understand why Optimal noticed her :D I don't know... I played a little bit, but I didn't like it. Maybe it's just not my style? Maybe I'm a traditionalist?

If I have to fight him in a tournament, I definitely won't let him play as Haven when choosing his castle (because I'm not suicidal).

С самого начала позаботься о своем месте в жизни, чтобы не уподобиться маятнику. /Херберт. Ф./
Клан: "Смертельный Альянс" - "Mortal Alliance"

Пандора

6/2/2007 4:46 PM UTC

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If I have to fight him in a tournament, I definitely won't let him play as Haven when choosing a faction (I'm not suicidal, after all).

I understand... a wise decision. I'd like to ask Optimal... Artem, aren't you tired of playing as Haven yet?

Short

6/3/2007 8:41 AM UTC

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and he never gets tired of it:):smile33:

Heroes 4 cool:smile17:

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OptiMAL

6/3/2007 8:58 AM UTC

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I understand... a wise decision. I'd like to ask Optimal... Artem, aren't you tired of playing life yet?

To be honest, no:) Life is a good castle, and not many people play it. I want to be one of them:)

:D

Surrealistus

6/5/2007 10:38 AM UTC

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Vampires – that was my answer – if I could give multiple answers. Ifrits – not only do they deal a lot of damage, but they also provide a decent amount of fire resistance. Cyclops – with proper leveling, they can become a real ballista.