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Guys, maybe it would make sense to use the OFB (One-For-All Battle) scheme from Heroes of Might and Magic III?
City selection:
"Each participant in the tournament will play one game for each city.
After registration for the tournament is confirmed, the participant must send a list via ICQ or a private message on the forum, which will contain information about which city and on which map the participant wishes to play. The cities listed in the list cannot be changed."
Eight maps = eight factions. Eight rounds of a Swiss-system tournament; a round-robin format is not essential for this setup.
We will consider this for one of the next tournaments.
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The tournament rules have been adjusted as much as possible, taking into account the wishes of the majority of participants. Please carefully review these rules before the tournament begins; let's discuss and share our opinions. If anything is unclear, please ask questions.
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alex_nv-364581417. Weekdays after 6 PM Moscow time, weekends – by arrangement. Until August 21, 2016, it may be possible to play during the day on weekdays by arrangement.
" Дурак учится на своих ошибках, умный - на чужих, а мудрый старается их не совершать!
Пусть будет больше мудрецов и жить станет легче!!! "


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Dear tournament participants! We kindly ask you not to send your faction lists to the tournament judges prematurely: - registration is not yet complete, so your list may be incomplete; - please send them no earlier than 12:00 Moscow time on August 1, 2016.
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Registration for the tournament is closed. We will send the lists to the judges between 12:00 on August 1, 2016, and 23:59:59 on August 2, 2016, Moscow time. Please note that players who do not submit their lists will be automatically disqualified from the tournament.
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The list of templates decreases after each game for each player. A standard draft is made from the remaining list. The list of templates is replenished after it is exhausted.
The Factions are submitted to the judge before the tournament; in this list, the participant indicates which Faction they will play against a specific opponent. Depending on the number of participants, the number of repetitions of the declared Factions is limited. The judges, who are also participants in the tournament, exchange their lists with each other.
What is unclear?
Yes, but this is written in the discussion thread, not in the rules themselves. The part about Factions is unclear; for example, it doesn't state the number of Factions that can be declared for one player, and this can only be understood indirectly. It is also unclear if, for example, I choose Orc against a player, and they choose Orc against me, do we both play as Orcs? It is also unclear what to do if, for example, I only have the Summer template left, but my opponent has already crossed it off.
P.S. If there are 2 judges, and both are participating in the tournament, who should I submit the draft against them to, the other judge? I understand that I submit the list to the first judge and the draft against the other to the second judge?
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Yeah, but this is written in the discussion thread, not in the rules themselves. The section on factions is unclear; for example, it doesn't state the number of factions a player can choose, and this can only be understood indirectly.
BUT you understood, as did the other participants.
chudo_ud0
Also, it's unclear: if I choose Orc against a player, and they choose Orc against me, do we both play as Orcs?
I don't see any problems or ambiguities; it's all obvious: you both play as Orcs.
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Also, it's unclear: if I only have the Summer template left, and my opponent has already crossed it out, what do I do?
"CROSS OUT ACCORDING TO THE 1-1-....-1-1 SCHEME FROM THE LISTS OF UNPLAYED templates for each player. An UNPLAYED template is a template that the player has not yet used. Thus, such a template can be present in the list of both players or only one of them."
Everything is explained.
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P.S. If there are 2 judges and they both participate in the tournament, who should I send the picks against them to, the other judge? I understand sending the list to the first judge, but the picks against the other judge to the second judge?
There are no restrictions on who to send the lists to; send them to whoever you want. The only restriction applies to the judges: they must send their lists to each other before anyone else.
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I also don't understand what to do if, for example, I only have the summer template left, but my opponent has already crossed it out?
Great, the tournament has started, and questions have arisen! But before, everyone didn't care.
In this situation, there is only one way out - not to play with this player until the issue is resolved, or to remove it from the complete list, and this will be like a second round of templates. I wrote about this problem before... Well, in general, people are reasonable, we will come to an agreement.
P.S. I have the feeling that the judges simply don't understand this problem, which may arise!
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Great, the tournament has started, and questions have arisen! But before, nobody cared.
In this situation, there is only one solution: don't play against this player for now, or remove them from the full list, and it will be like a second round based on the templates. I wrote about this problem before... Well, in general, people are reasonable, we'll come to an agreement.
P.S. It seems that the judges simply don't understand this problem, which may arise!
There is no problem!
Read the rules more carefully:
"TEMPLATE SELECTION: DRAFT ACCORDING TO THE 1-1-....-1-1 SCHEME FROM THE LIST OF UNPLAYED templates for each player. An UNPLAYED template is a template that the player has not yet used. Thus, such a template may be present in the list of both players or only one of them before the draft. The blue player starts the draft. The selected template for the game is removed from the list(s) of the player(s). The initial list of 8 templates (crown, summer, m3, mask, labyrinth, rainbow, spider, sun) is restored after the player has played through the entire list of templates."
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But does the initial spellbook consist of 16 templates or 8? For example, I have Letos, Mask, and Lab remaining, while my opponent has Mask, Lab, and Crown. Would the spellbook be Letos, Mask, Lab, Crown, or Letos, Mask, Lab, Mask, Lab, Crown?
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At this point, I can suggest a simplified approach for the "cherk" process.
If the opponents have a non-empty set of common, unplayed templates,
then "cherk" from that set – purely to speed up the inconvenient procedure.

And if the unplayed templates of the opponents do not intersect, then "cherk" from
the combined set of unplayed templates.

Example 1: Non-empty intersection.
Player 1 has not played: Mask, Letos, Labyrinth
Player 2 has not played: M3, Labyrinth, Radura
We have a non-empty intersection = Labyrinth = we play Labyrinth (of course, there may be more intersections, and they will need to be "cherked")

Example 2:
Player 1 has not played: Mask, Letos, Labyrinth
Player 2 has not played: M3, Sun, Radura

There is no common intersection, we "cherk" from the list =
Mask, Letos, Labyrinth, M3, Sun, Radura

Simple, clear, and fast :)
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Still, at the beginning, is the draw made from 16 templates or 8? For example, I have Letos, Mask, Labyrinth left, and my opponent has Mask, Labyrinth, Crown. Will the draw be Letos, Mask, Labyrinth, Crown, or Letos, Mask, Labyrinth, Mask, Labyrinth, Crown?
Here, we need to consider which option is better:
- Option A: In the first game, the selected template is removed from both lists.
- Option B: In the first game, the selected template is removed from one of the opponents' lists, as agreed upon by the players.

In Option A, there will be no disagreements about which template to remove, but both players will have one fewer template for the next game, and at the same time, no one will be disadvantaged.
In Option B, the players may not be able to agree, but in the next game, one of the players will have more templates to choose from for the draw.
dwp1970
Regarding this point, I can suggest a simplified draw option.
If the opponents have a non-empty set of common, unplayed templates,
draw from that set – purely to speed up the inconvenient procedure.

And if the unplayed templates of the opponents do not intersect, then draw from
the combined set of unplayed templates.

Example 1: Non-empty intersection.
Player 1 has not played: Mask, Letos, Labyrinth
Player 2 has not played: M3, Labyrinth, Raduga
We have a non-empty intersection = Labyrinth = we play Labyrinth (of course, there may be more intersections, and they will need to be "drawn")

Example 2:
Player 1 has not played: Mask, Letos, Labyrinth
Player 2 has not played: M3, Sun, Raduga

There is no common intersection, we draw from the list =
Mask, Letos, Labyrinth, M3, Sun, Raduga

Simple, clear, and fast :)
That's not bad, but there's no draw, which means there's also a lack of strategy. Unplayed templates for one or the other players in a pair are available for the draw before this game. So, they can be included in the list for the draw, as stated in the rules.
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Kirill! Please pay attention to the fact that if one of the players has already played a particular map, that map cannot be selected for their match, otherwise there will be a repetition of the map for one of the players. Otherwise, it seems like we are talking about different things!

DVP described everything correctly, but in the second case, one of the players will definitely have to play on one of the maps again, which is permissible given the number of participants, but in the future, this player needs to be careful not to accidentally play a third game on that map, and that's where I see a potential problem that will become apparent closer to the end of the tournament.
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In my opinion, it's simple – we just subtract player 1's score from player 2's score. That is, if: Player 1 – mask m3 sun Player 2 – mask letos sun Then we subtract: mask mask m3 letos sun sun.
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No, there's no pressure: theoretically, it's possible that a player could play the entire tournament using only one map, but what's the probability of that happening?
The double veto option is acceptable if both opponents agree (an accelerated version of the main game: as if both had crossed out the non-repeating maps).
" Дурак учится на своих ошибках, умный - на чужих, а мудрый старается их не совершать!
Пусть будет больше мудрецов и жить станет легче!!! "


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