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I'm amazed by you guys... all so righteous and innocent. Based on my experience, I've been disqualified from Tournaments several times due to time constraints. But here's what I want to point out: I always notify everyone as soon as the Tournaments start, but these "everyone" wait until the last moment, when I'm often already unavailable and get disqualified. Who's being unreasonable now? But in those cases, it's all my fault, and I don't deny it, nor have I ever complained. Here, I started playing as soon as the list was announced. Then the opponent postponed, then he wrote about having to meet a friend. Then he had other obligations, which were more important, and yes, he told me that the deadline was until the 19th and there was still time. There was no reason to doubt his words, and it seemed logical. I'm not shifting the blame onto Redii, not at all; it's entirely my fault. I'm just trying to explain how it happened. In the future, I'll only participate in Tournaments under the condition that I immediately ask the organizers to set a specific date for my match with the opponent. And thank you to the organizer for this Tournament; it was just difficult to ask via ICQ when I was online the whole time. We can get distracted for our own reasons, but why bother with this, right?
Added 3 minutes later Juristis
It's much easier to criticize the organizer's work when you've been rightfully kicked out of the Tournament.
From the organizer's side, there were no violations or delays regarding the tournament regulations. You can only direct any complaints towards yourselves :smile35:. And of course, you should learn to read the tournament regulations :smile14:. I consider further discussion inappropriate and request that all irrelevant posts be deleted in the future.
Of course, deadlines must be observed, especially since the participants themselves should monitor their compliance. But if the reports have already appeared, then it would have been quite possible not to disqualify people from the tournament, especially in the case of FTS, which managed to complete the matches within the deadline, simply submitting the report the next day. No one will benefit from such draconian measures.
P.S.: It would be better to set the deadline for the round on the weekend so that people have the opportunity to play to the fullest.
Tatyana, you are absolutely right, as an organizer, I am also annoyed by people who don't play within the allotted time or postpone it until the last day, but I still ask you to make an exception for them this time. I think everyone has learned a good lesson that you shouldn't be trifled with! :) P.S. For the tournament, mutual withdrawals at this stage won't be beneficial. P.P.S. You can delete my rambling if you want.
Of course, deadlines must be observed, especially since the participants themselves should monitor their compliance. But if the reports have already appeared, then it would have been quite possible not to remove people from the tournament, especially in the case of FTS, who managed to complete the round on time, but simply submitted the report the next day. No one will benefit from such draconian measures.
P.S.: And it would be better to set the end date of the round on the weekend so that people have the opportunity to play to the fullest.
Publicly discussing the organizer's actions after he has made a decision in full accordance with the regulations is not appropriate. I, too, was on the side of the players, but: - the players did not show sufficient seriousness, including towards the organizer's firm decision-making (based on past experience); - the players could have informed the organizer in advance and constantly worried about the possible consequences of violating the deadlines stipulated in the regulations, but no one did. And this will look especially contradictory against the background of pairs who went out of their way to meet the deadline. Moreover, extending the deadlines for some players should be done with consideration for other players, whose interests may be affected (so that extending the deadline for one does not affect those who are waiting or simply interested). The principle of fair play is still the most reliable motivator. And in this regard, each organizer should be supported, not pressured. Whether to end the round on the weekend or start it is like rearranging the terms - 14 days will still cover 4 weekends. Perhaps it would be better for some to start the round on the weekend so as not to rely on chance and the uncertainty of their own plans at the end of the deadline. After all, the deadlines are set precisely. And regarding the free wins. Well, yes, some people got a free win. And others, on the contrary, were deprived of the opportunity to play. But everywhere, all organizers rely on the principle of informing them about any critical situation. If there is no such information, then do not expect positive decisions. You have to have something to base your decisions on. I have now come to a decision, perhaps a naive one, to promote the third-place winners from these groups instead of those who violated the rules.
I'm not the kind of person who likes to write dry reports. So I usually need a couple of days to find the time and gather my thoughts in order to write a good report. When I saw that Tanya was disqualifying me at a time when the game had already been played, I messaged her on ICQ half an hour after reading her post and apologized for submitting the report late. I received no reply then, and I still haven't received one to this day. And I had already started playing the next tournament game. A couple of days later, the red letters "DSQ" appeared in the tournament bracket. It feels like I was just silently brushed off "I did everything by the rules" :smile20: good job, keep it up.
I'm finishing the remaining tournaments and this HeroesWorld can go to hell with all your rules and such "diligent" administrators.
Publicly discussing the organizer's actions after they have made a decision strictly in accordance with the regulations is not appropriate.
Here, it's more of a request to change the decision than a discussion. From a rules perspective, the organizer's actions are perfectly legitimate: the game wasn't played, and no one withdrew – so they were removed from the tournament. But, from a purely human perspective, it's possible to be more accommodating. After all, the guys played 5-6 games in the group stage on HL+U (and this isn't M200, by the way), then played a playoff game on time (which can be confirmed by replays), and they're being kicked out of the tournament – that's, at the very least, a lack of respect for the participants who spent 40+ hours of their personal time (which, by the way, is a full working week :smile04:) on this tournament. Okay, GUNAR and Makiavelli, who probably didn't even start playing, never mind Toga and Reddi, who finished their game the next day. But the game between FTS and Mizrael could have been counted. I'm still asking Tatiana :smile36: to be more lenient and still count this game, which was formally played on time.
I suggest Tatiana bans Dirty, because he's asking for too much here, you see))) he's trying to bypass the RULES!!! And then ban the Creator too, if he happens to stand up for him:).
My IMHO is that Tanya handed out a very harsh punishment by HeroesWorld standards, and was it really worth playing for half a year just to get kicked out because of a principle of the org? For a first offense, they could have given a final Chinese warning or a debuff for the next tour, for example, the opponent picks a template without a ban. And well, I did warn Tanya at the start of the tour that Toga had gone missing at that point; of course, I should have written again at the end of the tour, but for some reason it seemed to me that the tour lasted until the end of the weekend. Especially since we had agreed on Saturday several days prior (there are logs and even stream announcements in VK groups), if we had seen the deadlines, we naturally would have played earlier...
When I saw that Tanya was disqualifying me after the game had already been played, I sent her a message on ICQ about half an hour after she posted it, apologizing for not submitting the report on time. I didn't receive any response then, and I still haven't received one.
I didn't send the message in the evening; I waited until morning and, not seeing any information, made the decision. I was in a hurry to get to work and left, returning from work only at 9:30-10:00 PM. I didn't receive any messages. Please provide a screenshot of the ICQ log!