Posts from Post-tournament analysis and discussion of the CIS Tournament Regulations.

Anything beyond 5 turns is already pushing the limits.
It's especially funny to hear this from someone who kept switching between poker and the computer every turn!

We are discussing whether to establish a strict time limit for the Tournament matches and, of course, a separate room.

Regarding strict time limits – if there had been strict time limits at the CIS 2010-2013 tournaments, about 20-30% of the games would have ended in technical losses. And it wasn't always the players' fault; there were also objective circumstances. Therefore, I made the time limits flexible, based on the current state of the tournament. Because determining the champion based on the criterion of "who doesn't get a technical loss in 4 rounds" seems wrong to me; the fate of the title should be decided in the game. An exception to this principle can only be made for players who deliberately act arrogantly and violate the schedule without a valid reason. The double-elimination format is good because one loss doesn't lead to the loss of a chance for the title. It's bad because it takes a long time to complete. The issue of a non-round number of players is solved by using a flexible bracket – a Swiss system until 2 losses (as in most of my online tournaments), which also saves about 1 round. It is also possible to reduce the time allotted for a game. For example, by removing templates for the most drawn-out games (XL+U and Mini-Nosta) in some rounds. For example, in Odessa-13, after mass delays on XL+U in the 1st round, I reduced the list of templates to Jebus, Diamond, and h3dm1 in the 2nd round, specifically to catch up with the tournament's time frame, and in subsequent rounds, I allowed players to choose from the full list only for those pairs that were scheduled to play. It is also possible to shorten the timer (it seems too long to me now), set a maximum time for the game (with a mandatory final game upon reaching that time), or perhaps in certain rounds (or for certain latecomers) set a special game mode – M-200 or a blitz game on HotA. In other words, there are plenty of methods available; what is needed is the political will to implement them.

Just had an idea.
Preliminary registration with collection of entry fees. Up to 12 participants. First come, first served. For the remaining 4 spots (the number can be adjusted depending on the size of the pool), play online tiebreakers before the start of the championship among those who procrastinated with registration/payment until the last moment.
The point is to end up with exactly 16 participants. No free slots, no brackets for 32, no need to wait around due to the number of participants. And five rounds will be enough to properly determine the champion.

There are no specifics in the discussion. All that is needed is: 1) to know in advance how many participants there will be, 2) to know the number of days the tournament will last. And this needs to be known in advance - as I wrote yesterday - for this, preliminary registration and a ready-made tournament regulation are needed. And it is not very difficult to adapt the regulation to the number of participants. Maybe - double elimination you can have groups of 4 people + playoff in an Olympic format You can have groups of 5+ people (where games are played in a Swiss system, for example, in 3 rounds), followed by semi-finals + final. The main thing is that a specific version of the regulation should be developed before the start of the CIS tournament.

Just had an idea.
Preliminary registration with collection of entry fees. Up to 12 participants. First come, first served. The remaining 4 spots (the number can be varied depending on the size of the pool) will be decided in online playoffs before the start of the championship among those who procrastinated with registration/fees until the last moment.
The point is to end up with exactly 16 participants. No free slots, no brackets for 32, no need to adjust based on the number of participants. And five rounds will be enough to properly determine the champion.

as an option, but the main idea is a double-elimination tournament with 16 participants, no matter how it's achieved:cool:

as an option, but the main idea is to double up on 16 units, no matter how:cool:

If there are guaranteed to be exactly 16 units, then there are many options. For example, skd mentioned several above.

Please register me for the CIS-2107 Tournament (I'll reserve a spot for myself, just in case I can sell it later for a higher price)).

Well, now there's one player registered.

Please register me for the CIS-2107 Tournament (I'll reserve a spot just in case, and sell it later for a higher price) ))))))))))

You can immediately tell he's a real businessman. What about the other 90 champions before 2107? :D

Dimych, I wouldn’t live that long!

A Full Double in a 32-player tournament means 10 rounds, buddy :)

To be precise – 10 or 11. In the super final, the loser usually needs to win twice.

In a Swiss system with up to 2 losses, 32 players play through 8 rounds – example.

So, if you are focusing on the possibility of winning after losing, then this is exactly the format to choose.

To be precise, it's 10 or 11. In the super final, the loser usually needs to win twice.

Wikipedia says it's 9-10. But it doesn't matter, 8, 9, 10, 11 - it's all fantastic.

If you try to schedule a double elimination tournament, you'll need a schedule like this:

1) In the winners' bracket, a standard format is played, with 1 game per day.
2) In the losers' bracket, a short format is played, with 2 games per day.
3) If any pair from the winners' bracket doesn't finish within the allotted time, the next round is played in a short format.

With 16 players, it will take 5 days – 4 rounds of the Olympic system and a super final. In the super final, the first game is played in the standard format, and if the loser wins, the second game is played in the short format.

Wikipedia says it's 9-10.

Yes, I miscalculated.

Please register me for the CIS-2107 Tournament (I'll reserve a spot just in case, and sell it later for a higher price) ))))))))))

Well, there's one player already )))

I'm reserving the remaining 15 spots. We'll play, Vityok)))